The teens of america are uniting!
To end war? No
To solve world hunger? Nope
To stop congress from banning TikTok? Yep
After the spyware… (ahem) after the app supplied users with numbers to call, one teen threatened “I promise you do not ban TikTok. If you want a January 6th riot, that's what's going to happen. Don't do it”
…this, after giving their full name and address at the start of the call
(Via Politico)
And the calls keep coming
We’re about to see the wackiest uprising ever 🇺🇸
Strange how this is a 1:1 thing w/ Mark Meta also yet no one is up in arms about doing a Meta ban. >.<
"But, the hosting provider!" 😂
They are not the same thing. Facebook is bad too (and actually, a platform-neutral legal restriction based on behavior would be better, credit to @maynarkh for pointing it out), but TikTok is absolutely unique in the type of threat it poses:
Citations:
I'll say it again. Same. 1:1. Arguments.
Change the company name above to Meta in your arguments.
Same. Arguments. ☑️✅✔️
Meta is a #malware company masquerading as a Banner AD company. No more. Definitely Less due to Leadership issues.
TikTok is run by a former Facebook Intern who is now CEO.
So how's that project going again, Oracle Systems? What was that project name to localize this in TX data centers for TikTok? ✔️🦉📰🗞️
(Edit: #ProjectTexas, by #OracleSystems, a former client, on #OracleCloud !) 😂
This: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/02/02/ticktok-transparency-center-opens/
@infosec_jcp @flexghost @maynarkh
Wat
Where in Facebook's app can it download a custom binary to an individual user's computer and run it on behalf of Chinese state intelligence?
So you ARE familiar with App Stores & are ASKING for a BINARY side by SIDE Analysis for #infosec purposes of Meta & TikTok apps going back to their founding as a side by side analysis, openly, in public, audited by independent third parties in a double blind study about 'spying by intelligence'? Huh.
(Edit: #OracleCloud !) 😂
Maybe there is a ... bear 🐻 with me on this....PRC_ORACLECLOUD_RUNAS_PROJECT_TEXAS_ADMIN cmd? Nah.
Spoilers. It's not gonna end the way you thought.
🔮🔎♻️ 1:1 arguments ♻️🔍🔮
"Citation: Trust me bro 🔮"
Obviously, the Facebook app has been analyzed by security researchers. It's a very common thread among their comments that they say, I've analyzed a bunch of social media apps and I've never seen anything like TikTok. Downloading a custom .zip to one particular user's phone and running binaries out of it is one good example. Offhand, it's hard to think of a purpose for that that isn't nefarious (the obvious possibility being to enable functionality for one particular person you want to spy on, while shielding that functionality from the community's ability to pick it apart in a security analysis like they'd be able to do if you sent it through the App Store to everybody.)
Yes, the exact purpose of my citations was that for that among many other reasons, TikTok is absolutely exceptional in how malicious it is, with reference to the ecosystem of other social media phone apps, which (as you do correctly note) is already terrible.
I'm not real interested in a continued back and forth about it. If you have citations other than "🔮" for what you're saying I'm happy to read them though.
I've been watching the malware company called Facebook for 20+ years. Don't call me bro.
Learn about #ForcedMDM. #MITM. #SSM™. Simple #infosec things.
Sure. I'll put that on my to do list. Educating you. The dbl communist tech 'bro'.😂
But in the meantime you should ' do your own research ' . (☉｡☉)!
(Edit: Learn about https://Oracle.com , first. Second, learn about #OracleCloud )
Going into a specific like HOW the targeting works is quite a path to discuss though. Go on. Perhaps you should just search my timeline here and on Twitter. I'll wait. (☉｡☉)!
Will the #Marktanic before or after you are done though? (ﾟοﾟ人))
"Do your own research" as a response to "can you please back up what you're saying because I already backed up my side and what you're saying sounds like bollocks" became a cliché because it's so transparently bad-faith a response... I've actually never seen it used in the wild in the straightforward way before.
Ah, do I detecc a bit of UK wordage? Narce one guv Geezah.
Here is a smol example of how a simple image file can be used as a .ZIP file href to link to some #malware . Hey, didn't you bring this very method up above? Huh. Citation give. ✅☑️☣️📰🗞️💤
This passes ' Play store Security ' scans, dbl communist tech bro. Meta does this. So does GammaGroup.Com software. This technique is quite.. *checks notes* old.
But go on. This is interesting! ☣️
https://infosec.exchange/@infosec_jcp/111767228025628368
Would you like to see the #Meta #malware SHIM analysis also, dbl communist tech bro? 🤔
You know, the DEFAULT FACEBOOK SHIMS that *checks notes* go to #malware ? 🤔☣️😂
Got that LINK .RU:
https://twitter.com/infosec_jcp/status/1585402019782619136
Attached: 3 images New #StateSponsoredMalware #ForcedMDM client app #SprintMCMapk module update on #GammaGroup #FinFisher #FinSpy #MobileClientManager The #ForcedMDM #GooglePlayStore #malware on 01-16-2024 Notice how the #PNGs actually are compressed arrays leading to #malware using a long running #PNGListArray in a Portable Network Graphics file format that the client is able to unpack and call to launch #malware attaccc'd as a client from a #GammaGroupProxyServer administrator #CALEA software Reveals on #Android12 examples See screenshots #infosec #RTNDA #SSM™ #StateSponsoredMalware™ #GreyMarketInvestigations #CALEA #ForcedMDM #Malware #CivilRightsAbuse logged from #GooglePlayStore #VirusTotal https://www.virustotal.com/graph/embed/gfc12bdb135534ae5bd0fc322e7679090d7b08158b4b84f26a4abfa175df9a5a7
When you are done have fun with #EchoLocate ☣️
Content warning: re: #Trapped & #Traced #GammaGroup #FinFisher 03-13-2023 from new AT&T #MotorolaPhone under ~$100 #infosec
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Gibberish
I lost my appetite for the back and forth again
You know, I have seen your discount communist stuff citing your discount links to your losing this. Quite the simple 'you asked for links' but then you want to discount what is linked... and then you walk back your flip flop by asking for something, receiving it, but THEN because you don't LIKE the facts, send another shutdown message because you.. lost. 🥱💤
Quite the simple chain of responses I have seen quite often. Grow up a bit init? You see when you are losing the argument the tactics the loser uses is classic 'try to shutdown the discussion'. Classic. Loser. Tactics.
Winners discuss and continue the discussion and or come to conclusions. Lurkers are discussing then commenting... Elsewhere and nyet here. 🥱💤♻️
You asked. Your Dunning probably ran INTO the 'rude hypen' Kruger. I discussed this actually with a Brit before, actually.
Don't worry. You'll ' figure I.T. out ' , eventually. ✅🤗♻️😀🦉
Citation:
I've been watching the malware company called Facebook for 20+ years.
Oh, I randomly missed this before, but on March 10 2004, Facebook was called "The Facebook," and had been available to Harvard students for 34 days. Were you an undergrad at Harvard at the time?
No but I was working for, at the 2003-2004 time I started watching, Sun Microsystems where The Facebook bought the property from Oracle Systems, Inc. in 2010.
You see SUN stands for Standford University Networks. ✌️
I am pizza toppings about this. Can you tell me a little more about which property The Facebook bought from Oracle Systems, Inc.?
Sure Potato. Exit 404 off the US-101.
But will you take the A or the B route? ✌️😂
Say, do you _actually_ like working for the Astro turf PR Firm Meta hired to smear TikTok or, nah? OracleCloud isn't.. some odd plot in your mind by *checking your notes* The PRC Intelligence Apparatus, or.. nah?
Ah, something something Emoluments Clause...
https://infosec.exchange/@will_bunch@bird.makeup/112072697351624269
@mozz @flexghost @infosec_jcp @maynarkh lol you're funny.
It absolutely can and does.
My generation used to call it Zinga.
@eljefedsecurit @mozz @flexghost @infosec_jcp @maynarkh Framing the issue with TikTok as one of malware makes it no different than any old Android flashlight app.
Assume it obeys app model permissions.
The problem is what its AI learns about you from the moment you scroll past each video, and the consequent influence it has on the >50% of young Americans who use it daily.
@marshray @eljefedsecurit @mozz @flexghost @maynarkh
🔮♻️🔎Literally. 1:1. Meta. Vs. TikTok. Arguments. ♻️🔍🔮
Love it! 😂 #thesocialdilemma 😂
@infosec_jcp @eljefedsecurit @mozz @flexghost @maynarkh
What’s your point?
You don’t think “Meta” is a concern ?
You don’t think the implications of another “Meta” controlled by PRC CCP is a legitimate thing for people in democracies to discuss ?
@flexghost @infosec_jcp @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit
As best as I understand it, they're they're trying to use "but Meta is very bad" as a counterargument to my point "as very-bad as Meta is here are some specific ways in which TikTok is even worse"
@mozz @flexghost @infosec_jcp @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit Yeah, I had almost this exact same conversation with someone yesterday.
I don’t understand why people seem to think that pointing out some aspect of irony to a situation is some kinda mic-drop argument that magically negates all other concerns.
I suspect the Greek Tragedy framing used all the time in “serious journalism” has destroyed our ability to reason about relative risks.
@mozz @flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit @marshray
You missed the simple point of same vs. same , i.e. - 1:1, e.g. - mirror vs. mirror so your use of 'very-bad' seems.. perfect as an analogy that is just supporting my points. Cheers 🥂 for that Cesar Thumbs Up 👍 for my message.
You know you could just edit this so as to not have to keep replying, right? ┐( ˘_˘)┌
Because you don't seem to _know_ a whole lot about Meta it seems not its history of... Well.. how about, as you requested in the thread above, catch UP to an industry trade coverage wise in I.T. with this linky here then circle back when you have finished reading the 1000's of articles I have already read?
Checking your English seems to be UK based, yeah? Would you like me to localize the damage that Meta has done to your specific country or USA or perhaps another region? Ireland perhaps? 🤔
#Brexit? #cambridgeanalytica ?
#Facebook M8! (Soon, #MarkXit !)
Cool. Catch-up. Tomato 🍅?
That's the sauce. 😂
Here ! ╮(＾▽＾)╭🔗
👇
https://search.theregister.com/?q=Facebook
https://search.theregister.com/?q=Meta
Then you can quote post along with what I have ALREADY read and LIVED also so... Cool? 👍🔗
Are you in ShoreDitch? I'm in Silicon Valley! Nice. 👍
So, How's that #ProjectTexas going, again?
¹ https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/project-texas-tiktok-plan-stay-america-oracle-security/
² https://mashable.com/article/project-texas-tiktok
³ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emilybakerwhite/tiktok-project-texas-bytedance-user-data
'I'm from Singapore, Senator."
How's the Project Texas going?
Can you share.co .UK? Did you know that it's an #OracleSystems hosting project with 'oversights'? Hmm... 🤔🔗
@marshray @mozz @flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit
Let's take your arguments and break them down a bit...
You mentioned, first, " The threat it poses:
"1 The Chinese government treats communication networks as their personal hoovering-attachment for any data they might want. "
In Texas? Huh. Are you sure your communist plot isn't being monitored? You DO know that US has its own intelligence apparatus, right?
"Companies are required by law to operate as an arm of Chinese intelligence, both in terms of giving information and in terms of manipulating what information people on their network are allowed to see."
Again, this sounds like you have ZERO knowledge of 'ProjectTexas', which I have left you links to... in this thread.
"It's not just your TikTok data. It's photos and files on your phone, your contacts, your messages, basically anything that the app with its too-permissive permissions can get its hands on, can potentially go up to Chinese intelligence."
So, like #Meta's overreach permission wise like their new #Threads app? Huh.
"TikTok is not structured like any other app. It has features like custom-downloading and running arbitrary binaries from its central server that honestly don't even make much sense except as spying apparatus (consistent with #1)."
Not true. This is very similar to #Meta apps in the way they are structured. Did you know you ARE describing qualities of #GammaGroup and other #malware & #spyware #MITM type behaviors, though? 🤔 Hmm.
"What China might do with this unprecedented level of access to everyone's phones is malevolent in a different way than, say, Facebook's access to everyone's data."
So the #ProjectTexas with #OracleSystems IN #OracleCloud is... A communist plot? 😂 DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO FOUNDED ORACLE?!?!?! 😂😂😂😂
"Like Facebook they have the ability to e.g. influence an election, but they also have the ability to try to blackmail an individual to compromise them, or do for-real torture in the real world (say by tracking down a dissident via TikTok spying and then having one of their little Chinese-police-in-America units grab them)."
LIKE FACEBOOK.
😂😂😂😂 1:1 😂😂😂😂
OMG YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND #PROJECTTEXAS! 😂
You must of missed the whole Taylor
L. story on this? Huh.
I'LL continue... 😂
Obviously you have met some cat that pushed some stuff off the side of the pond you are on then?
Weird flex that your go to is Flat Earthers to support your side. I'm glad I have time for you to read and catch up a bit though. So you want a different source? Cool. Here is a go:
This one made me laugh:
https://www.cio.com/article/405380/metaverse-the-time-for-cios-to-experiment-is-now.html
Also this : Dumb FSCKs! 😂 You trust someone who gets paid $1. A. YEAR! 👎😂😂😂😂👎
https://ciowomenmagazine.com/meta-introduces-privacy-setting/
Rebranding Fails, from Harvard, Marks alma! 😂
https://hbr.org/2021/11/facebooks-rebrand-has-a-fundamental-problem
The Brand is Toxic : Meta, a Case Study : Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-meta-rebrand-damaged-reputation-study-finds-2021-11?op=1
The Verdict . Co. UK : https://www.verdict.co.uk/meta-failed-rebrand/
Perhaps your argument of attacking TikTok and saying 'this is worse than Meta's, as I tried to keep simple, for obvious reasons, that your arguments are just supporting my same criticism of Meta, a known fraud company, known for propaganda, who has since 2019 DELETED 8 BILLION ACCOUNTS, YEARLY. That's 2+ BILLION per quarter. Fraud Issues. Leadership Issues. 💯✅
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I could go on and on and on and on.... But I'll stop here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@infosec_jcp @mozz The reason that you feel you "could go on and on and on" is because you don't actually have any specific point and aren't supporting it with any rational argument from evidence or theory.
Get back to me if you decide you want to try doing that.
Otherwise, have a nice day.
No worries. I'll wait a few years I guess for you to read up and then circle back to this thread.
🔮 Spoilers:
¹ Watch Marks Losses in Courts, Globally over the next 2+ years, here:
https://noyb.eu/en/search?search=Meta
² Also keep an 👁️ on the 40+ States Attorney General's going after #Meta for the whole #pedophilia thing on #Facebook ( #1CSAMHost) and #InstaCSAM ( #2CSAMHostingNetwork ) and don't forget
#Xitter, the number 3 CSAM host, so much #FreeWebHostingCulture to go through! ⚖️👨⚖️🧑⚖️
If you have gotten this far just remember All I was saying is that your arguments ♻️ apply to Meta, 100%. Simple. See top of thread.
Ciao! ✌️ Thanks for discussing and help to educate on the Culture issues that plaguing some of the worst offenders in the Valley and elsewhere.
@flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit @marshray
I would like to unsubscribe to Gish gallop emoji party
@mozz @flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit @marshray
You have to send "UNSUBSCRIBE" AS THE SUBJECT M8 😂
That's when the WOOSH sound happens 📨 😂
Loike, the Rozzer are busy : 😂📨 citation:
¹ https://www.wired.com/story/meta-hacked-users-draining-resources/
² https://arstechnica.com/?p=2008608
Odd how it's actual users of the services which Meta seems to be lacking in specific demographics which *checks notes* TikTok has captured with actual users, not Personas bots' which Meta is known to use fraud wise on their Boomers only web site.
I look forward to the "Meta Users Protest(?)" when they storm the capital with messages again or some such protest as the coverage should be interesting as well as the prosecutors will definitely be busy iF it's anything like the worse than KiwiFarms web site called #Meta.
@marshray @mozz @flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit
Chaos Agent? First off your whole top o' the thread pivot to "They are not the same thing." is just flat out incorrect. Totally incorrect. First off.
Then you blurt out all these talking points like you want to just blurt out the Republican PR Firm for at Meta you are working for or nah? 💯
Save this space right here for THAT discussion...
[ Compiling PR List Mark hired, init? Spoilers: They Don't Like Mark 😂]
² https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/
⁴ https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/meta-facebook-tiktok-pr-campaign-1235218866/
⁵ https://www.theinformation.com/briefings/meta-paid-republican-firm-to-push-anti-tiktok-campaign
@marshray @mozz @flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit
He probably just mad about the .gif's he lost custody over. 😂
'No thanks Senator I have an Everything App already. #fediverse "
"You do realize you are interoperable WITH the Open Web, right? 😂🎁
" You see, you are choosing to, with your app permissions overreach, interoperate with someone who DOESN'T have your ' permissions overreach ' issues, don't you you see this Mark? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Have. GIF to explain 👇"
🎁.co.uk Note 37 - citation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giphy#cite_note-37
You're on a server called "infosec.exchange" and you can't tell the difference between the user initiating a download of a thing which is the same for everybody, which provides a function the user wants to have on their phone... and the company initiating a download of a custom thing they want on one user's phone in particular, which isn't available for anyone else to try to analyze, invisible to the user, without telling the user about it?
@mozz @flexghost @maynarkh @eljefedsecurit
So your comment about the Google Play store and Apple app Store and what happens there applies the same, obvs.
Mentioning what users of this do or don't pay attention to DOESN'T change the targeting btw.
Educating you on the SPYWARE on YOUR computer will probably be a funny story though tech bro. 😂
flexghost.
@infosec_jcp 🐈🃏 done differently
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