Eric Maugendre about data@winterschon
I am continuing the thread from your contribution because indeed people may like to explore in-app containment.
Back to app side-loading…
• unmigrated accounts on legacy browser—such as #Safari
• pro liaison on a browser approved by your organization
• consuming, online streaming, on the all-purpose browser: #Firefox (then Settings > Privacy)
• social media on a speedy browser—such as #unGoogled (but you must update)
• online banking, health, sysadmin & sensitive stuff on a hardened browser—such as #LibreWolf or #Mullvad's browser
#privacy #browsers #compartmentalisation #compartmentalization #safety #security #diversity #infoSec
Eric Maugendre on collectives"As a result of the DMA the tech giant allows to install other browsers as defaults. Apple ensured that these browsers can no longer use WebKit because it would make them faster than Safari. To this end, the tech giant blocked the WebKit API in iOS 17.4."
https://www.techzine.eu/news/privacy-compliance/116980/apples-changes-to-comply-with-the-dma-opens-new-european-antitrust-investigation/
#Apple #iPhone #DMA #WebKit #Web #rendering #FrontEnd #WebDev #PWA #Sideloading #AppleStore #browsers #monopoly #EU #Europe #privacy #security #Safari #iOS #iOS174 #competition #AntiCompetitive
Estelle PlatiniI propose an assessment of the situation before #Safari drops (deadline 6 March).
Which #browsers do you use across all your devices?
Safari
Firefox
Librewolf
other browser motorised by Gecko
Chrome
Vivaldi
Edge
ungoogled-chromium
other Chromium
other Blink-motor'd (inc. Brave)
Poll ended at .
Mozilla argues that browser choice only in the EU will make it more difficult for vendors to juggle different versions. “Apple’s proposals fail to give consumers viable choices by making it as painful as possible for others to provide competitive alternatives to Safari. This is another example of Apple creating barriers to prevent true browser #competition on #iOS.”
#Apple #iPhone #DMA #WebKit #FrontEnd #WebDev #PWA #AppleStore #browsers #EU #privacy #Safari #iOS174
Apple Releases iOS and iPadOS 17.4 with Major Safari and App Store Changes in the EU, Transcripts for Podcasts, New Emoji, and More
Today, Apple released iOS and iPadOS 17.4, the fourth major updates to the operating systems that launched in September and Federico reviewed on MacStories. iOS 17.4 is a significant release, bringing major platform changes to iOS in Europe as part of Apple’s response to the European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), as well as a handful
Estelle Platini@eric @dushman
Two polls show that the usage of Google #Chrome is dwindling and that demand for #Librewolf is a strong child:
Two polls show that the usage of Google #Chrome is dwindling and that demand for #Librewolf is a strong child:
Which browsers do you use?
• Multiple choice to account for various usage and any device (pro & perso)
• You may boost to enlarge the sample
#browsers #poll #browserPoll #compartmentalization #compartments #Safari #SafariBrowser #Firefox #Librewolf #Chrome #Vivaldi #VivaldiBrowser #Edge #EdgeBrowser #ungoogledChromium #ungoogled #Chromium #Brave #BraveBrowser
Safari
Firefox
Librewolf
other browser motorised by Gecko
Chrome
Vivaldi
Edge
ungoogled-chromium
other Chromium
other Blink-motor'd (inc. Brave)
Poll ended at .
robtherunt🌱💚@estelle
Also, Startpage & DuckDuckGo
Also, Startpage & DuckDuckGo
The core browser functionality of the #DuckDuckGo browser is the WebView component provided by the operating system. This means that the browser engine is #Blink on Android and Windows [my last option], and WebKit on iOS and macOS [not an option in my poll].
@estelle
Thnx for clarifying 👍
Thnx for clarifying 👍
@francks
Pixel Dunn@estelle where morph? it's webkit based and not listed… where lynx/links/elinks ???
@hacknorris
Sorry for the omission. I was only allowed ten lines!
Sorry for the omission. I was only allowed ten lines!
@estelle and it could be simple:
- firefox
- librewolf
- other gecko-based
- chrome
- edge
- ungoogled chromium
- other blink-based
- safari
- other webkit-based
- other
covers everyone and fits perfectly ^_^
- firefox
- librewolf
- other gecko-based
- chrome
- edge
- ungoogled chromium
- other blink-based
- safari
- other webkit-based
- other
covers everyone and fits perfectly ^_^
@hacknorris
Thank you for your suggestion.
Your improved list of again ten items would indeed cover every browser unlike mine!
Thank you for your suggestion.
Your improved list of again ten items would indeed cover every browser unlike mine!
Beurt@estelle
Fediverse is really a biased world! (80% Firefox!)
Fediverse is really a biased world! (80% Firefox!)
Angela Scholder@estelle Unfortunately I need Edge for the IE mode due to cameras in which the ActiveX crap from MuckySof was used...
Bruce Heerssen 
@estelle
Whoa. I expected Firefox to be over-represented in the Fedi, but this is way more than I thought.
Whoa. I expected Firefox to be over-represented in the Fedi, but this is way more than I thought.
The Other Doug Jones 🇨🇦😎🖖 Elbows Up!@dhj1961
Opera's current browser engine is Blink, which it switched to in 2013 after previously using its own engine called Presto. Blink is part of the Chromium project.
Opera's current browser engine is Blink, which it switched to in 2013 after previously using its own engine called Presto. Blink is part of the Chromium project.
InspireExpire@estelle duck duck go ?
Estelle PlatiniLe moteur du navigateur #DuckDuckGo est le composant WebView fourni par le système d'exploitation. Cela signifie que le rendu est construit par #Blink sur Android et Windows [ma dernière option], et WebKit sur iOS et macOS [pas une option dans mon sondage].
13 barn owls in a trenchcoat@estelle plus Gnome Web (Epiphany) using WebKitGTK and Konqueror set to use KHTML.
Tucker Teague@estelle also use Opera
geographile@estelle I keep Chrome around for when a page completely doesn't work in Firefox, which sometimes happens. But it's not my first choice.
Mr. Bruno 
@estelle I used to be a diehard Chrome boy but I switched to Firefox.
Angua 
@estelle
Vivaldi with all the extensions I can add usually, Edge occasionally.
Convenience mostly, but also reliability.
Vivaldi with all the extensions I can add usually, Edge occasionally.
Convenience mostly, but also reliability.
RobertJacksonMy Lenovo tablet came with Opera. Fabulously quiet & devoid of adverts and popups.
adison verlice@estelle I use the tor browser
@adisonverlice The #TorBrowser consists in a modified Mozilla Firefox ESR web browser, the TorButton, TorLauncher, NoScript and the Tor proxy. So you could have ticked the fourth line from the start: "motorised by Gecko".
Sorry for the complication.
Hiker@estelle and Waterfox
Viktoria D. Richards/UddelhexeVivaldi (voted for that) and Duckduckgo too (don't know under which category it falls😅)
Searchengine: Quant, sometimes DuckDuckGo
@v_d_richards
I certainly did not know either. But i searched for it – on DuckDuckGo 😄
The core browser functionality of the #DuckDuckGo browser is the WebView component provided by the operating system. This means that the browser engine is #Blink on Android and Windows [my last option], and WebKit on iOS and macOS [not an option in my poll].
Sorry for the complication.
David C. Norris 🇺🇦 🗽@estelle The @mullvadnet browser
TeaJay@estelle Firefox home , edge corporate
Pixel Purrito@estelle Epiphany / WebKitGTK
tusooa 
西风 
@tusooa @estelle does it, though? Recently we have discovered that there are a number of tests (can't remember of WPT or WebKit's own layout tests) that pass for the @WebKitGTK and @WPEWebKit ports, but won't pass with Safari. That's because the graphics compositor is completely different, we use TextureMapper, while Apple ports offload work to CoreAnimation; and we have been improving TexMap lately—mostly to improve performance, but also with correctness fixes.
Next year i'll change the poll last line to "other" in order to try to resolve your indecision. (Because uncomfortable.)
I would suggest that your two statements are useful:
* for a user, Epiphany _often_ renders "resources" as Safari would;
* a web dev may need to go into details such as Purritto's.
@estelle
You missed bot like wget and links from terminal or scripts.
Since more and more web page /book /movie need no interaction and its only static info.
I missed many things!
I only had ten lines allowed and i should have proposed "other" as last one 🧐
Martin@estelle
and duckduckgo.
and duckduckgo.
Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🌮 🚀 🌗@estelle lynx, still the best ad-free experience.
KennerI did not know where to place Waterfox either. So i searched for it:
#Waterfox is a fork of Mozilla Firefox. So you could have ticked the fourth line from the start: "motorised by Gecko".
Sorry for the complication. I'll mention it next year.
Your device is likely to request pages with a "user agent" similar to:
"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Waterfox/56.6.2022.08"
Wilfredo 💬As i have learnt since placing the poll, Waterfox is a fork of Mozilla Firefox. So you could have ticked the fourth line from the start: "motorised by Gecko".
Sorry for the complication. I'll mention it next year.
Rue Mohr@estelle and lynx. (and wget)
Mike_de_N 😇@estelle
DuckDuckGo
DuckDuckGo
I would not know where to place DuckDuckGo. So i searched for it – on DuckDuckGo 😄
The core browser functionality of the DuckDuckGo browser is the WebView component provided by the operating system. This means that the browser engine is Blink on Android and Windows [my last option], and WebKit on iOS and macOS [not an option in my poll].
Sorry for the complication.
Here are comments on the evolution of browser share in a year.
(The three samples are heavily skewed to English-speaking higher eds.)
Last year results: https://techhub.social/@estelle/112047924116566034
You may still answer in the previous toot.
3/4 Fediverse members use #Firefox proper. Same as last year.
We welcome other parts of the Firefox family (any browser with Gecko inside):
• The share of Librewolf mentions doubled since last year.
• The share of other Gecko-based forks mentions also doubled since last year. (Even though some Waterfox usage is not logged because i did not list it.)
The shares of Chrome and Vivaldi were stable for the first thousand answerers (maybe more IT inclined) but doubled with the later thousand (in the last 24 hours).
The share of the last line (Opera-Blink-Brave mentions) decreased since last year.
#browsers #webDev #poll #browserPoll #compartments #Safari #SafariBrowser #Librewolf #Chrome #Vivaldi #VivaldiBrowser #Edge #EdgeBrowser #ungoogledChromium #ungoogled #Chromium #Brave #BraveBrowser
Estelle Platini (@[email protected])
Attached: 2 images @[email protected] @[email protected] Two polls show that the usage of Google #Chrome is dwindling and that demand for #Librewolf is a strong child:
Here is a comparison on browser shares in 3 environments: the Fediverse panel, a website and commercial #stats.
(The two 1st samples are heavily skewed to English-speaking higher eds.)
The share of devices that have iOS or macOS in my poll went from 2% (at a hundred answers), to 14% (at a thousand answers), to 22% (at 2000 answers). Compare that with 15% of the pages served by the website and 18% for Safari+WebKit at Statcounter.
This may hint that Safari+WebKit is evenly distributed except low at techies'.
Beware that the %s of my poll are shares of the answerers, not shares of installations.
The Gecko family (Firefox, Waterfox, Librewolf…) displays a 100% total in my poll (against 19% usage of the website and 2.5% usage at Statcounter.) Of course many devices have Firefox and Librewolf; and many have none.
The Chromium family (Chrome, Ungoogled, Vivaldi, Edge…) displays a 70% total in my poll (against 53% usage of the website and 71% usage at Statcounter.)
All Europeans 🇪🇺Instead of comparing to Statcounter, perhaps people could consider Cloudfare stats? https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/browser-market-share-2025-q1
Statcounter's tracking script is installed on less than 2 million websites. However, it can be blocked by some browser plugins that block ads and trackers, or even at the browser level, depending on the browser.
Cloudfare's statistics are based on around 25 million websites. They are first-party data, so servers' statistics are not affected by tracker-blockers. This may explain the higher market share of Firefox, as per Cloudfare data.