Kevin Collas-Arundell@tess every ev rebate\grant program should be limited to compact normal shaped cars (SUVs banned entirely) or (preferably) ebikes
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😀🚲@coregaze @kca @tess ENOUGH people can ride bikes that 90% of us don't need to be driving cars for short trips.
Not everyone can drive a car.
But even if they could, mandating cars as the ONLY transportation option cannot work because #GeometryHatesCars. There are bikes for people with special needs, extra cargo, passengers, #eBikes, #AdaptiveBikes, #CargoBikes that could replace over half of car trips if SOME minuscule fraction of cars (& mostly just the bad drivers) would get out of the way
@enobacon @kca @tess Don't get me wrong, I own an electric bike _and_ an electric motorcycle, but my partner can't ride either of those alone due to physical limitations, and for some purposes the car is just better.
I should point out that the car is a nice little reasonably sized Chevy Bolt and not some oversized freaking monster truck.
@coregaze @kca @tess there are many kinds of adaptive bikes which can help people with physical limitations personally experience the benefits of e-bike rebates & bike infrastructure, via cycle. But even for people who really need a car, getting the vast majority of people onto bikes for SOME trips is going to be a net mobility win for not being stuck in traffic, less parking pressure, affordable housing, pretty much every metric that makes cities work. Not everyone can drive. #CarsRuinCities
@enobacon @kca @tess Yeah, but you can't go to the store with one of those, because you can't park them anywhere. Moreover, they don't have the sort of assistive technology for people with visual agnosia that cars do, like radar-based automatic braking and pedestrian warnings, or video rear-view mirrors that can avoid dazzling a one-eyed driver.
Your idea of what a physical limitation constitutes is very limited, and the technologies in modern cars for improving safety are better than bikes.
@enobacon @kca @tess I'm not saying that everyone should drive all the time. What I'm saying is that for some people a car is the only way they can function in society, and it's profoundly annoying when bike people ignore that fact. And I say that myself as a bike person! I've ridden over a million miles over the last 45 years on bikes of all kinds, and I love bikes, but even I understand that there are things they just cannot do.
@coregaze please send me the contact info for bike people who are ignoring the mobility needs of others and I will give them a talking-to. I think more of us understand these issues than most drivers but I'll make sure of it if you see otherwise.
jnbhlr@coregaze @enobacon @kca @tess So we shouldn't require everyone to drive a car but should make it pleasent to use alternative because then the people that have to drive a car are so much better of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k
The Best Country in the World for Drivers
Jennifer@Jennifer @coregaze @kca @tess congratulations you're afraid to ride a bike because of poor infrastructure design, car supremacist planning, and countries that build bike paths across the countryside don't value freedom like we do. You can have the most valid excuses of anyone, and still be part of the problem.
Half of greenhouse gas emissions come from transportation.
Half of all car trips are less than three miles long, an easy 15min on an e-bike.
Nobody said you have to bike every trip. Why are you defending the system that forces people to drive?
As unhelpful goes, it's hard to beat "not everyone can ride a bike" and "won't someone think of the poor drivers" in this discourse. Straight from putin's writers room. #ClimateDenial
@enobacon @coregaze @kca @tess I'm aware of all that. I wish the area where I live had better infrastructure for bikes and other public transit, but it doesn't. Almost everyone here (Huntsville, AL area) has to have a car. It would be exceedingly dangerous to ride a bike to my grocery store. I do a lot of other things to minimize my footprint, including working at home, not eating meat, and having a really well insulated house. I can't afford an EV until the price drops a lot.
Don't fret about your personal carbon footprint so much as what can be done to free everyone else from being stuck without the option to bike a few miles or catch a bus. Some people do what they feel is necessary but others are enjoying the same subsidy as farmers to drive their glamour truck to a sprawly mcmansion. We need to remove the yellow centerlines that reserve 20-some ft of asphalt exclusively for cars. #EV cars are more distraction than solution here
RJD@Rjdlandscapes Are you defending car supremacy with the assertion that we can mine more lithium than exists on earth sooner than scrubbing some yellow paint out of the asphalt? Because of our collectively poor math skills perhaps. How about the young and old and others who can't drive, are we just going to ferry them around in SUVs? And in that status-quo, let grandma keep driving until she kills someone. The plan for cars-only is the one you're boosting.
@Rjdlandscapes it's not difficult, we maintain the system exclusively for cars at far more expense than it would take to transition to a multi-modal system, which also solves congestion by allowing people who don't need to drive to get out of cars. If you think we have plenty of resources to buy everyone #EVs, why can't they go toward bikes and transit which have been neglected and systemically hobbled over the past century? #GeometryHatesCars bro #ClimateDenial
@coregaze @kca @tess but I DO go to the store with a cargo bike, and can park it anywhere. Besides that most of the systems for making cars safer are needed only because they weigh so much more than 100-ish pounds and have the power to travel at speeds that aren't needed to reach the store in a few minutes.
David S (inactive)@coregaze @kca @tess People who have extra mobility needs should be given money to account for that difficulty in whatever way they need to, not the same cars-only subsidies as able-bodied wealthy white guy tesla cybertruck driver tearing through the neighborhood blocking poor kids from being able to safely bike to school on their own.
Grassroots Joe@coregaze @enobacon @kca @tess
How do you like the Bolt?
My #2 needs to get a car and wants an EV.
He's thinking a Leaf, but I suspect a Bolt would be a better choice...
(I've got a Specialized Como 3.0 I use for most of my appointments and store runs - as long as it's in the upper 40s F, too cold for me below that.)
@joeinwynnewood @coregaze @kca @tess It's zippy AF, if you got one with a replaced battery and not software-downgraded to see if it might explode. Kinda plastic/cheap interior and rattly hatch. I don't like the lack of source code or heat pump options.
@joeinwynnewood @coregaze @kca @tess I mean you should have seen this u-turn
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Attached: 1 video Southwest #Portland middle school #drivers wtf. The undertaker here had just whipped a u-turn before I went by coming up the hill. 🙄
@joeinwynnewood @coregaze @kca @tess the dc charge and even level 2 AC is pretty impressive but it won't go over 12A at 120V IDK why.
lonely extrovert@enobacon @joeinwynnewood @kca @tess All the ones with the bad battery should've been replaced under the recall at this point. We got a brand new 66 kWh battery fitted to ours, gratis.
It's not rattly and the interior is fine. It's not trying to be anything it isn't.
Robert H@joeinwynnewood @coregaze @enobacon @kca @tess
A used Leaf is the best deal in BEVs today. Eighty miles range is sufficient for 95% of people on 95% of days.
A used Leaf is the best deal in BEVs today. Eighty miles range is sufficient for 95% of people on 95% of days.
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