>> the request for the advisory opinion from the ICJ was an attempt by the Palestinians to evade their responsibilities under the treaties signed with Israel.
>> “Rather than engaging in political compromise, they’re hoping to find a magic bullet to get Israel to withdraw from the territories, without them needing to compromise,”
Palestine wants a recognised state, without political agreements ensuring peace with Israel.
@lukevanin isn’t Israel that needs to guarantee peace and security to the Palestinians after 75 years of brutal occupation and slow moving ethnic cleansing of historical #Palestine? Last time I checked, it’s Israel that’s illegally occupying Palestine, not the other way around. Withdrawal should be non negotiable as it is illegal.
Last time I checked, it was #Hamas and it’s #Palestinian simps in #Gaza that launched surprise rocket attacks on #Israel, raped and took innocent people hostage, threatening its security.
The explicit goal of the attacks was to precipitate #violence for a #permanetStateOfWar in which #genocide of Palestinian people was an acceptable price to pay.
Hamas said, #genocide is "not regrettable," but the "necessary cost of a great accomplishment." See https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111749944931455400
Like a wise man once said, it didn't happen in a vacuum.
It all started in 1948, with a sweeping ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Not on October 7th.
Fast-forward, the PA agrees to almost everything Israel demanded in the Oslo accords, and then Netanyahu's messianic Jews assassinated Rabin.
Fast-forward, Netanyahu then grooms Hamas (yes, the one mentioned in the NYT piece you pasted as a proof of something), when he realized he can split the Palestinians.
And this is w/o even mentioning the violent apartheid regime in the occupied West Bank and the blockade on Gaza, after many years of violent occupation and abuse.
⬆️ @oatmeal
>>a wise man once said, it didn't happen in a vacuum
Right, wise guy, it didn't happen in a vacuum
>> It all started in 1948, with a sweeping #ethnicCleansing of #Palestine. Not on #Oct7
Not in 1948 either, but at least since time of #Egyptian pharaohs ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111442683286447887
But who cares about what #Jewish #Scriptures say, right? It's only #Islamic #scripture & #Hindu #pretendScripture that can be used as historical evidence, right? ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111444489765921897
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Even ignoring the biblical account of #FirstExodus prior to 12th c. BCE, we have documented history of MULTIPLE #JewishDisplacements
740 BC: #FirstJewishExile
586 BC: #SecondJewishExile
540 BC: Fall of #Babylon; Return to #Judah
1881: #RussianRevolution; #FirstAliyah
1904: #SecondAliyah
And the virulent #antisemitism in #EasternEurope and #Germany that climaxed in the #Holocaust in the early 20th century — ALL happened before your #cherryPicked date of 1948.
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>> Fast-forward…
NO. Don't. You don't get to #cherryPick dates that suit you and skip over history that is unpleasant
BEFORE 1948, there were 2 World Wars.
400 years BEFORE #WWI, the land you call #Palestine was under #TurkishOccupation.
In other words, Palestine has not been "free" in at least 500+ years.
BEFORE 1948, there was also #WWII and #Holocaust.
You were saying something about "sweeping #ethnicCleansing?" Oh right, mass murder of #Jews don't count 🙄
⬆️ @oatmeal
BEFORE 1948, there was 1947, when for the first time in 500+ years, #Palestinians were offered their own land and free state as part of a #TwoStateSolution from the partition of #BritishMandate, but #Arabs and Palestinians roundly rejected it
>> the #PA agrees to almost everything #Israel demanded in the #OsloAccords, and then #Netanyahu's messianic #Jews assassinated #Rabin
The above Arab rejection of Palestinian state was BEFORE #OsloAccords and before #Netanyahu
@lukevanin
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>> Fast-forward, Netanyahu then grooms Hamas
NO. Don't. BEFORE the whole sordid mess known as #HAMAS, there were multiple civil wars & full-fledged #Arab-#Israeli wars, all started by Arabs and all of which they LOST
>> this is w/o even mentioning the violent apartheid regime…
1. LOSERS don't get to set terms
2. When losers are violent, they are #incarcerated. Fancy names like #openAirPrison & #IsraeliApartheid (wrongly conflated with #SouthAfricanApartheid) mean same
@rameshgupta you’re a simple person, aren’t you?
⬆️ #oatmeal@kolektiva.social
Unable to face the heat, the #oatmeal committed #seppuku and took himself out, but not before attempting a #hitAndRun as shown below.
If I could respond to him, I'd say I'm indeed a simple person, but not a simpleton like him 😂
@rameshgupta I muted oatmeal and some of the other loony tunes.
Their arguments are all based on selective cherry picking and hypocrisy.
Their version of history sounds like a boatload of white Europeans stormed the beaches of the sovereign Islamic state of Palestine in 1948, unleashing a wave of violence that sent peaceful Palestinian citizens fleeing for their lives.
Any preceding events are irrelevant, and any contradictory information is Zionist propaganda.
It's not a rational debate.
Luke Van In
oatmeal
Ramesh #NotGoingBack
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