⬆️ @vidyarthi

>> #UncannySimilatities in misappropriation of Anschluss as well as the #Hindu #Swastika symbol by Nazis

> except they were talking about Haken-kreuz and not the Swastika

No, you are not fooling anyone.

"there has been a movement to "reclaim" what was seen as "their" swastika symbol "... until Hitler stole it" ➡️ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Swastika_as_distinct_from_Hakenkreuz_debate

Just because #Hitler used a #German word #Hakenkreuz to describe it does not change where the #Nazi Swastika symbol originated from

@Nochem

@rameshgupta @Nochem
So you're saying that the symbols at the monastery church of Lambach Abbey(where Hitler practiced choir singing) and those that he mentions at Linzer Straße and Kirchengasse in his own autobiography were actually of the Indian Swastika?

If the German word "Haken" translates to "Hooked" and "Kreuz" translates to "Cross", then definitely "Hakenkreuz" should be translated as "Swastika". It's so obvious.
After all, Englishmen knew English the best.

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/when-swastika-lost-its-glorious-past-for-no-good-reasons-ba4123097628

⬆️ @vidyarthi

You are free to believe what a self-described "YouTuber" posted on Medium.

I'd rather look at the ~275 cited references on the Wikipedia page.

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Also, when it comes to belief, I like to ask if you "know" who your dad is.

The answer I'd expect is, "Of course, my mom told me."

My followup would be, "But how do you 'KNOW'?"

Cheers!

@Nochem

@rameshgupta @Nochem
Well you can try Google translate or read the said autobiography to verify the contents of what's in that post or ... you can rely on Wikipedia without actually reading the citations and their sources.

Also, regarding your other question, there's something called genetic tests that can verify those things. But then again, ignorance is indeed blissful for some people.
https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&text=Da%20war%20ein%20Kreuz%20mit%20einem%20Haken%2C%20es%20ist%20also%20ein%20Hakenkreuz.&op=translate

⬆️ @vidyarthi

Well, you can get genetic tests done, or take your mum's word for it.

Ignorance can indeed be blissful 😂

@Nochem

⬆️ @vidyarthi

>> you either believe what others tell you or verify them by appropriate means. There's no need to remain doubtful.

Here is how you might remove your doubts —
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/us/fertility-fraud-accidental-incest-invs/index.html

Meanwhile, I have a different set of doubts. Perhaps you can suggest some "appropriate means" to verify them:

1. The precise location Rama is alleged to have been BORN at.

2. That Rama was born at all?

3. As omniscient God, why did Rama seek proof of chastity from Sita? ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111806370001124856

@rameshgupta
>> Link to fertility fraud in US
So they had doubts and resolved them by taking tests, what's your point?

1. By "alleged" you mean the ASI report that pointed out the ruins of an older temple at the site or similar historical documents? If so, you should ask them since no one has a time machine.

2. Again no time machine, also irrelevant question.

3. No omniscient God sought any proof, instead the symbol of justice - the king asked for proof knowing fully well what will happen.

⬆️ @vidyarthi

You read what you WANTED to read, not what I gave you to read— a ref. to 23AndMe for paternity testing

1. No, the temple was a human artifact, not a divine certificate. I asked for proof that Rama was BORN at that LOCATION.

2. You have TimeMachine when you cite ASI report but not at other times? Archeological and C-14 evidence shed a lot of light on prehistory. Cave paintings show humans existed tens of 1000s of years ago. What artifact can you cite for Rama being born at all?

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⬆️ @vidyarthi

>> No omniscient God sought any proof, instead the symbol of justice - the king asked for proof

So, मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम had no मर्यादा or decency toward women (incl his own wife)?

As King, he did not have the courage or wisdom to say that #misogyny would absolutely NOT be tolerated in his kingdom?

And what was the deal about dudes dicking around in the woods, while their wives were not around? Why didn't they have to offer proof of not being lecherous? Why nobody asked Laxman?

@rameshgupta
Well, all you attached was a link to an article about fraternity fraud in the US without any context. Those that had doubts verified them via tests, accepted the truth and took action based on what they felt was appropriate.

1. I concur. But why else do you want the proof? It's the ideals that are important as we are yet to have a method to interact directly with the past.

2. The ASI report is based on on-site archaeological excavations. As I said, no one has a time machine.

@rameshgupta
Maryādā means boundaries. This event is a demonstration of how a judge makes decisions completely impartial while being bound to the social laws. It signifies the need to update laws not like a dictator but by reforming society from within.

Imagine the President candidate's son could get convicted(he's actually innocent and his father knows). So as soon as he's made the President, he abolishes the criminalizing law. What would be the public perception?

Context for last paragraph?

⬆️ @vidyarthi

It’s OK to disagree with someone and use #belief or #faith as your argument, but it is not OK to give that a veneer of #truth by presenting questionable evidence, as you did with #Swastika and as you continue to do with #India’s #DragonTeeth problem.

Your selective choice of evidence ONLY when it suits you puts your dishonesty on display for the whole world to see.

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⬆️ @vidyarthi

The dishonesty is in taking #archeological surveys to #SCOINDIA and convincing a billion people that the existence of a temple (human artifact) at a specific geolocation is evidence of the birth of a divine character presented in a literary work (another human artifact).

Existence of a temple for a character in a poem may be proof of faith in that character, but not of the actual birth of that character in the real physical world.

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⬆️ @vidyarthi

>> why else do you want the proof? It's the ideals that are important …

Oh, now that you’ve razed #BabriMasjid and built a #RamTemple in its place, asking for proof is suddenly inconvenient?

Setting a Supreme Court precedent where archeological surveys are used as PROOF of divine provenance, and razing places of worship all over India (#Ayodhya, #Varanasi, …) as a #reactionary move to turn back the clock?

How far back is India going to go? To caves and पर्ण कुटिया?

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⬆️ @vidyarthi

>> [Asking his wife for proof of chastity https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111806370001124856] is a demonstration of how a judge makes decisions completely impartial while being bound to the social laws. It signifies need to update laws not like a dictator but by reforming society

So, how impartial is it that only women were subjected to these social laws while men were not required to prove that they might not have engaged in lechery while away from their wives?

How, if at all, did Rama reform society?

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