Molly White#substack, by first refusing to ban nazis under the guise of being a "free speech" platform, and then turning around and saying "actually we'll ban some of the nazis", has taken the route that will piss off the most people possible
good work, boys
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Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊To be fair, they're following in the footsteps of every other social media company extant over the course of the last decade, so they're standing on the shoulders of some real giants.
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bEA 🔓@molly0xfff they're only going to allow the good, moderate nazis, rather than the ones who have fascist views about the literal existence of other peop… wait, I foresee a problem.
What seems to be the trouble? So long as they keep their dog whistles finely tuned, surely nobody will have a real problem, or at least not one which can't be easily ignored.
These tech bros are free speech absolutists until they actually start thinking about the issue at any depth. When forced to deal with the issue in depth, they pivot to, "I will personally make all the decisions about who can speak and how much, I am just an absolutist."
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@charvaka @molly0xfff Tech bros make me ashamed to want to be working in the industry. Some of the most out of touch, awful people I've come across.
Jeramee@SHODAN @charvaka @molly0xfff
You folks who work in tech make the world a much more wonderful place. We won't apply guilt by association.
All the Tech Bros do is show that we need to move beyond our authoritarian, capitalist culture.
Based on the tech folks I've met over the years, I believe that we would have much better experiences if the industry were run through co-ops where the employees have an actual voice in the product instead of listening to the depraved visions of the Tech Bros.
Alexander The 1st@charvaka @molly0xfff "'Free speech absolutist' as in 'Absolute Power.', not as in 'Free speech'."
Nika@charvaka @molly0xfff so true for any platform as a matter of fact, the 'tech bros' call the shots
Saffron🏳️⚧️@molly0xfff the Bud Light strategy
Weyoun 6@molly0xfff they also don't understand the problem of having revealed their values in the first place. Perhaps too much conditioning that they can change course later following a mistake. But, no, some mistakes reveal who you are and people will take note and move on.
@weyoun6 @molly0xfff
Chris Best revealed everything in the Nilay Patel interview and I think the subtext was so blatant and awkward it was difficult to grok.
Even Nilay was stunned.
Michael J. Orlando@paninid @weyoun6 @molly0xfff I just went and re-watched that interview clip. And it is the most comically stereotypical TED-talk-tech-bro herble gerble imaginable. I challenge #SNL to do it any better. @nbcsnl
eta@molly0xfff ah yes, the Cloudflare gambit
ocdtrekkie@eta @molly0xfff Came here to say it. Absolutely guaranteed to cost you your legitimate customers, and then also cost you your Nazi customers, and in the end... there are some customers left, I guess.
Lance Bachmeier@molly0xfff They said the same about antivax misinformation. Never responded when I asked if they would refuse antivax revenue. It was as if they were really doing it for money.
Fiachra@molly0xfff then today everyone discovered that when you report comments, it tells the commenter who reported them and why, making it very easy for Nazis to retaliate against anyone who reports them
@Fiachra oh christ
Jennifer@Fiachra @molly0xfff
@Jennifer
Ah, yes.
The 'zero-tolerance bully rule' of moderation, which has of course never led to neurodivergent, queer, or BIPOC students being harassed mercilessly because they had an ill-considered faith in the rule of law.
Or gotten victims of domestic abuse murdered for same.
Or many, many other cases...
@Fiachra @molly0xfff so often, and literally on any platform, reporting anyone will just backfire on the one who reported...
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Pax Ahimsa GethenI'm also disappointed in Casey Newton's post on this where he literally asks his audience if Substack's pathetic response is good enough for him to keep supporting their platform. Several commenters who clearly didn't read beyond the headline said it was great news. Or maybe they just don't care.
Regardless, I'm not sharing his post for that reason. I'll wait for a news article or blog post *not* hosted on a Nazi Lite platform.
In fact, @molly0xfff you should do a video and/or blog on this when there is more news to report (i.e. if and when Substack follows through on removing "some" Nazi accounts)
@funcrunch fwiw i didn't get the impression he's firmly decided to stay
No, I got the impression that he's leaving it up to his audience, instead of following his own moral compass.
Update: According to The Verge, Substack is going to remove five publications, none of which have paid subscriptions enabled.
FIVE.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24030756/substack-nazi-newsletter-content-moderation
Jim Lipsey@molly0xfff And now they have created a subset of nazis known as “substack-acceptable nazis”.
Ian@molly0xfff What's unfortunate is they didn't realize soon enough that if you de-platform nazis then they don't have a lot of places where they can go complain about it. Meanwhile, if you keep them on the platform, everyone else complains about it. The latter being a much louder impact to their reputation.
Felipe 🇦🇷@molly0xfff
Something similar also happened here at mastodon dot la
Something similar also happened here at mastodon dot la
trog@molly0xfff I like to imagine the looks of surprise on their faces in the boardroom while they're saying "wow, people really don't like nazis, who knew?!"
Taco Dave@molly0xfff the dril post excerpted in this post feels relevant here.
Laura Hilliger@molly0xfff I put my newsletter on substack October 19th, after years of avoidance, and deleted my account almost immediately. Back to my little janky tech stack that only sort of works but is defo antifacist.
Zoidtes@molly0xfff they consider you as a tolerant and open person as long as you don't criticise them. Once you do criticise the "Good people" you are a Nazi to them. A full blooded, hardcore supernazi.
No matter how tolerant and how democratic they you are. Nazi!
No matter how tolerant and how democratic they you are. Nazi!