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A funny skit about this and several other weird american standards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk

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@sopsack 1000 isn't highly composite though!
@chombo @sopsack this!!! "muh base 10" is the worst argument for metric
@sopsack Cue the "freedom units" response.
@dhj1961 when the freedom units are the ones based on those created by an imperial superpower and not the ones created in the country that overthrew its monarchy
@sopsack lol the sad thing is this just helped me learn how many feet in a mile 😆
@Aviva_Gary @sopsack It is a good thing that you haven't had to learn it.
@RA_Negm @sopsack I studied the sciences so everything was in metric (and therefore a good system if you ask me) so there was that lol
@Aviva_Gary @RA_Negm @sopsack I tend to think of the metric system as a system, where different aspects of the measured world are put in relation to each other.
On the opposite side, I see „freedom units“ not as a system, but a loose collection of specialized measurement standards. Each may make sense on its own, in its niche (which is why people cling to it), but they where never designed to work together.
Which is why I feel they should cease to exist.
😉🙂
@ketchup71 @RA_Negm @sopsack lol this is actually a pretty good explainer for the American System...
@sopsack This reminds me of that quote from Wild Thing by Josh Bazell that made the rounds a while back.
@vallik @sopsack almost perfect, just that the calorie isn't "metric" as in: an SI unit. But with 4.2J it wouldn't flow as nicely.
@vallik @sopsack One mole of atoms? I don't know a lot about Mexican cuisine, but I'm pretty sure any mole has atoms in it, even guacamole.
@vallik @sopsack calories are not metric. Metric is joules.
@sopsack I'm not sure if it's making fun of the Brits or Americans...given y'know, the French.
@sopsack Metric by '75 , I always say!
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@sopsack The Drunken Lobster community would like a word
@sopsack What do you expext from someone that counts 31 month by 12 days in a year?

@Venty @sopsack American date format wouldn't be so bad if they didn't use slash as the separator character.

Slash means *of*. Sometimes it means *or*. Page 4 of 55: 4/55. One half - 1 out of 2: 1/2. He or she: He/she.

If US dates were 12.31/2024 it wouldn't be bad. Still not alphasorted, but not ambiguous and weird. But slash means "of".

Also POSIX filesystems made the same mistake since they use slash backwards there too.

@sopsack

best explanation of imperial units (for length only):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDUt-Kbxqsg

Imperial Measurements Explained 🤣🤣🤣!!!

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@sopsack One for that dimensional Luddite, @Protons4B
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To convert from mile Yeah. To convert from
to feet, remember "5 kilometers to meters,
tomatoes". It sounds you remember 1000
like 5-2-8-0, the because it wasn't
amount of feet in a invented by a drunken
mile. Cool huh? lobster. , 7
@b_age Now go to sea, where not only do we have to remember two conversions from ft to miles, but also remember to establish which miles we are talking about.
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@sopsack
There are two kinds of countries.
1. Those that use the metric system.
2. Those that have been to the moon.

@jlcrawf

Do you mean that moon, where the flag was waving in the wind 😂

@sopsack @jlcrawf
Yes, the wind that was blowing. Vigorously.
On an enclosed sound-stage.
Yep.
@jlcrawf @sopsack NASA used (and still uses) the metric system, and german engineers…
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@jlcrawf @sopsack When did Myanmar go to the moon?

@sopsack The way I handle this is by using the power of furlong!

https://wiesmann.codiferes.net/wordpress/archives/32451

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Like many europeans, I struggle with imperial units. Even if you get the general feeling of one, say the inch, it does not really help as the others are all over the place, relatively speaking. And…

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@thias @sopsack In fairness, American Standard was codified before Imperial and isn't exactly the same. For example, a pint in America is 16 ounces where it's 20 in Imperial and Imperial gallons are bigger. We also don't use stone, either, which is still sometimes used in UK and Australia.
@vwbusguy @sopsack it’s all a question of framing, I think they should just rename the yard to short-meter, like the short-ton.
@thias @sopsack Not sure what a short-ton is, but the international debate over a "metric dozen" humors me greatly as an American.
@vwbusguy @sopsack a short ton is 2000 £, so 907.18474 kg a long ton is 2240 £ so 1 016.0469088 kg
@thias @sopsack Interesting. I'm just used to "ton" = 2000lbs vs "metric ton" ~= 2200lbs. We use ton all the time, but I don't recall ever hearing of a short vs long ton. I'm guessing that's an Imperial thing not used in American Standard.
@vwbusguy @sopsack well, we cannot call your ton imperial ton, as there are two of them (this is getting out of hand).
@thias @sopsack American Standard and Imperial are different codified standards. American Standard is older by like 50 years, IIRC. Brits can call things what they want. It's not that we want the Brits to follow our standards - it's rather that we really couldn't care less because we have something that works for us. Apparently the differences weren't better or else UK would still be using it, but those were their choices. 🤷
@thias @sopsack The fact that China and Mexico are on the metric system has more influence on American measures than what the Brits did in the 19th century.
@thias @sopsack As an aside, my favorite quirk about this is when I grew up, cars in Canada got better fuel economy (miles per gallon) than the same cars sold in the US. It wasn't that they were more efficient, though, but that Canada has bigger gallons 😅.
@thias @sopsack Also, just because it comes up so much, Fahrenheit has nothing to do with Imperial. It's technically a metric measurement, but uses weather and the human body as baseline references rather than water, which is why Fahrenheit is somewhat more intuitive for weather and fever grades. Of course, Celsius is better for measuring water and stuff relative to it, but the concepts behind the measures are near identical except for the reference points affecting the scale.
@thias @sopsack So, I prefer Celsius in the guage that tells me if my car or computer might be overheating, but I prefer Fahrenheit for weather or body temperature readings.
@vwbusguy @sopsack I must admit I dislike having domain specific measurement units, this yields siloed thinking and obfuscation, I can see the point of extreme units like electron/volts or light-years, but in the general case, this is just the way of clothing sizes… this is also my problem with imperial length units, they are disconnected feets are one thing, miles another and the relationship between them is tenuous.
@thias @sopsack As opposed to women's clothing sizes which are entirely arbitrary depending on the manufacturer? Inches are a useful denominator for waste and pant leg sizes.
@vwbusguy @sopsack that’s my point, domain specific "units” are at best a way to protect some trade group, at worst an obfucation scam. This is one thing I liked in Japan: shoe sizes are centimetres, sadly they generally did not have my size. Disconnected units just prevent people from understanding and comparing. It’s easy to figure out the weight of an A4, 80g/square meter sheet of paper, who knows the weight of 20£ US letter sheet?
@thias @sopsack I'm not sure the question. I usually use 32lb. 500 sheets at 32 lbs, which is slightly more than an ounce per page. (1.024 ounces if you want to be specific). It's confusing to me when I buy Japanese paper and have to try to mentally convert to grams for weight.
@vwbusguy @sopsack the question is how do you compute the weight of a single sheet of US paper. You need to figure out the surface of a US letter and the magical formula linking paper pounds to some surface. AX paper is by definition 1/2^X square meter and weight is given by square meter. One formula is guild secret, the other is trivial.
@thias @sopsack I guess I'm saying I didn't need to do that. 32lb ream of 500 pages. The hardest part of that calculation is converting 500/32 from a base-10 to a base-16 to get the ounces, which is not all that uncommon of a task for those in computer science.