Hateful speeches in House of Commons from the Tories, the #Rwanda Bill passing and people announcing their shock that #Sunak is prepared to take the legislation to it's absolute limit.

Where you not paying attention to Brandon Lewis when he said they were going to break the law in a limited and specific way in relation to NI & Brexit, to keep the same nutters happy?

Once again, the British Government proving they are worthy of the title #PerfidiousAlbion in relation to international affairs

And the British media and the majority in #England once again proving they only pay attention when it is something that affects them directly.

It can happen in Scotland/Wales and NI, no one really pays attention. When it becomes relevant to the English - then all hell breaks loose.

Fair enough but can the English Government, media and many in the country, stop pretending that they care about the Union. They don't!

If you did you would be more aware of what was happening in the rest of it!

So let's start being honest with each other. I will start - there is a shared history within these islands and on the whole it's not a good one.

Scotland/Wales and NI have always been treated as second class citizens of this union. Our voices aren't equal and we can't decide our own futures without permission from Westminster (England)

Brexit broke the final ties that bind us together, mainly because of an English Nationalist vote for a fantasy & return to Empire.

We don't want that, the

legacy of Empire is yet to be ended in the relation to the UK union.

I have friends and family in England, I wish you no harm, I hope that you can restore sanity to the politics there, for all our sakes, while we are still part of this union.

However, I just don't want to be part of the UK union any longer. I would like your influence over the place I call home gone - the British ruling classes have done enough damage. It is time to go, so we can repair it.

It is time to #Think32

@[email protected] you're in Northern Ireland. I hope you restore sanity in politics there

@JohnLoader6

NI held an election nearly two years ago.

We voted for more pro-protocol MLA'S, we voted for more MLA's who want to work together. That result was ignored by our English SoS. He has chosen to let the #DUP dictate.

He may not care about us but he has a responsibility to the people here to act in our best interests not Jeff's!

He could give our public services the pay rise they need to bring them into line with GB. He could introduce legislation in parliament to reform how

@JohnLoader6

Stormont is formed but is refusing not too.

We could have a functioning government here if we had a SoS who actually paid some attention to what was happening here, instead of treading water.

@jacqui76 You chose them as much as the English chose their representation

@JohnLoader6

I certainly didn't vote for the mess we are in now...

Plus with the joy of a PR election I voted for everyone else bar the status quo!

@jacqui76 The assumption of all nationalist posts is that the English get all the goodies and nobody else does. Wrong.

@JohnLoader6

Why is your first take away from my toot - that it must be about me wanting more money. This isn't about who gets all the goodies. After all don't the people in NI/Scotland and Wales pay their taxes as well to the HMRC.

Plus our SoS by offering more money to the public sector here has just admitted that NI has been underfunded compared to the rest of GB.

This is about all our voices having equal importance. This is about understanding what works in Belfast might not work in

@JohnLoader6

Derry never mind Manchester and Glasgow.

It is about accepting that the people in those places might actually know better than someone sitting around the table in Whitehall.

This may be about more money for the DUP, to soften their supporters when Jeff does his eventual u-turn but not everyone in NI is like the DUP.

@jacqui76 slightly disagree... As a Scouser, I believe that the English Establishment treats most of its citizens as 2nd class... The days of Thatcher's "let them rot" has given Merseyside a jaundiced view of Gov control from London. They don't want a break up of the United Kingdom as it dimmishes their power base... England having a platform on the world stage, carries less weight than GB
@PGBeattie @jacqui76
Right on the spot, England never managed to move from the Imperial thinking.

@fonecokid

The Beeb's idea of a typical news picture confirms that.

@PGBeattie @jacqui76

@PGBeattie

I firmly believe that Liverpool should have more devolution as well. Why because it had become clear that those in Westminster don't give a toss about the needs those in the North of England either. They treat you like subjects the same way they treat us in NI.

I understand where you are coming from about not breaking up the UK but I think it refers more to Scotland.

Scotland gaining independence would mean the end of the union and the loss of standing on the world stage.

@PGBeattie

The Island of Ireland reuniting wouldn't see the end of the UK union.

After all many don't know we are part of the union, they think we are Ireland and the rest want to know why we are still part of it!

@jacqui76 I'm all for a United Ireland and an independent Scotland and Wales if it wants it.... I'm even happy with a close association of the 4 countries.. providing they all have an equal voice... The chances of the English counties having equality is far, far away from ever happening

@PGBeattie

I believe that if there was more power devolved through out the UK - you could see support for the Union increase.

People would be happy that they their voices were being heard. Plus after Brexit, we have discovered that small/middle sized nations working together have more clout.

@jacqui76 @PGBeattie England already has devo in certain areas but as we saw during the Covid enquiry it’s responsibility is often conflated with the whole country

@kennybrown131 @PGBeattie

Yeah...they thought they were speaking for the whole country. They weren't!

@jacqui76 @PGBeattie if somehow Westminster could set up a structure that demonstrates the devolution that is already in England, perhaps the nationalism that is alive in England may have a more coherent and progressive voice

@kennybrown131 @PGBeattie

If Westminster was prepared to let Scotland and Wales have more power (NI is in a mess at the moment, I don't think you can take the training wheels off just yet - we need to reform Stormont before that happens)

Then staying within the union may be a positive - but with the legacy of exceptionalism still in existence. They won't do that because we are (even the North of England) are treated as the colonies were.

@kennybrown131 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie what devolution in England? Our Councils have nothing like the powers of devolved Governments.
@JohnLoader6 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie true but England has by legislation if not implied devolved Health, Agriculture, Fisheries, Law, Education and several city mayors. All of these could be shown as English only areas but mostly they are discussed in Westminster and their devolved meaning gets lost
@kennybrown131 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie NHS - yes we have trusts but unlike Scotland who avoided strikes our Trust can't set salaries and budget controlled by Westminster unlike Scotland. New to our neighbours that farming devolved unlike those in Wales the other side. Scotland controls fisheries and has its own protection vessels trying to stop Irish boats off Rockall. Education - run by academies with unelected profit takers in the main. Devolved can have mayors - they seem not to bother.
@JohnLoader6 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie you make a very good case for a devolved government / assembly in England

@kennybrown131 @JohnLoader6 @PGBeattie

This conversation is above my head. As I don't understand how Wales & England are governed. So I will just let you fire on.

@jacqui76 @kennybrown131 @PGBeattie yes you see I get fed up with people in devolved administrations claiming they have fewer control than us in England. Shropshire can't set drink drive levels of income tax levels as Scotland does for example. English councils currently have two more powers than Scottish ones/ They can choose to allow footpath parking or ban it and can set council tax rates on second homes.
@JohnLoader6 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie I’m not claiming you have more power, clearly you don’t. I do think England needs a more coherent response to its own separate powers though, whether that is an assembly, committee structure etc. I’m not sure. Devolved government has highlighted inequalities within the UK governance structures

@kennybrown131 @JohnLoader6 @PGBeattie

I think it time that how the UK is governed was over hauled. Like the devolved regions - why would it not be possible for the counties of England to be given their own administrations based on the devolved model.
The country is too big for centralised government - Covid proved that.

That would make the people in those areas feel like they had a say in their area and how it was run.

@kennybrown131 @JohnLoader6 @PGBeattie

When it comes to the devolved regions - they are just slightly more powerful than local councils.

Westminster over riding Scottish legislation proves how unequal the parliaments really are.

This current arrangement is a halfway house which really isn't devolution.

@jacqui76 @kennybrown131 @PGBeattie I'd love our council to have been able to prevent a doctor strike and reduce the drink drive alcohol level
@JohnLoader6 @jacqui76 @kennybrown131 @PGBeattie Westminster already has that power for England. In all the devolved areas Westminster is a de facto devolved parliament for England only. Unfortunately however, the press report all decisions as UK decisions, and only in the devolved nations do (some) people understand that they only apply to England. So in all the areas you highlight, England has powers for England only.
They are already held by Westminster.
@kennybrown131 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie Suggest you ask the mayor of Manchester. Devolvement during Covid was at the discretion of the Government. Mayoral areas can do a bit more than normal councils especially around transport but not much more. My council could not create its own Covid rules so no devolution
@JohnLoader6 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie I’m not suggesting that City mayors powers are in anyway similar to devolved gov merely that England has its own particular set of governmental bodies
@kennybrown131 @jacqui76 @PGBeattie All I have is Shropshire Council. Please tell me how I am better off than say someone living in Powys or Orkney or Portrush
@PGBeattie @jacqui76 you can see how Westminster has a difficult relationship with the big city mayors and the Tories especially would be happy to reverse this legislation. Thatcher dissolved the GLC with a swipe of her pen
@kennybrown131 @PGBeattie @jacqui76 especially the Labour ones who are the majority but the one Tory I know of I think may have left the party, he's certainly a critic in Birmingham
@kennybrown131 @PGBeattie @jacqui76 My wife worked for the Inner London Education Authority during Livingstone's takeover - remember a moderate Labour guy got them in and was instantly replaced by Livingstone - and appointments were made that were totally political with senior ILEA people put there for their politics not any experience of education.
@PGBeattie @jacqui76 I agree. our councils have nothing like the control of the Welsh and Scottish governments and the NI one if it actually worked. If you are still in Liverpool you still have a mayor so more power though I remember a leader of the council there who was extremely dodgy when I used to work there
@JohnLoader6 @PGBeattie @jacqui76 our councils don’t have those powers either. But Westminster does, for England only.
@JohnLoader6 @jacqui76 yep... We have had some real dodgy people in charge ... Power corrupts is true for Government and local Councils
@jacqui76 I'm all in favour of Irish unity and Sottish independence .... Have a great day

@PGBeattie

You too Paul! Ta for the follow

@PGBeattie @jacqui76 I'd bet on the first but not the second in my lifetime - I'm 74