@CptSuperlative This is also frequently combined with strawmanning.

So, false dichotomy + fabricated position support -> strawman argument against opponent.

Who's then in the position of trying to answer a "have you stopped beating your spouse" type accusation.

I'll also note that I run across this tactic ... more frequently than I'd care to on the Fediverse. "If you're not with us you're against us" and various language policing "you used term X, so you mean position Y" accusations.

Fortunately in most cases blocking or muting seems to work, though that's still a quite tiresome tactic.

Σοφιστικοὶ Ἔλεγχοι, a/k/a Sophistical Refutations, remains one of the most relevant works on debate and argument ever. Or as I like to rephrase it, bullshit arguments that must die.

@dredmorbius @CptSuperlative Yeah, I got kicked out of my first instance just for disagreeing (politely I might add) with a prevailing opinion. No warning, no second chance, no explanation. It changed how I feel about mastodon but hopefully it was just the instance I was on.

@flowti I'd like to make clear that often there is a valid point that could be made. Ghoddess knows I'm old enough that language and values and acceptable behaviours have changed and are changing. Sometimes it's thrilling, sometimes it's the world moving very uncomfortably under your feet.

(And if this hasn't happened to you yet, don't worry, it will, your heros will prove to have feet of clay, or have been villains in disguise, or just simply mistaken. Some day you will find yourself attacked, not by those you think of as your enemies, but your own side.)

I try to stay as reasonably current as I can. Though that often involves looking back in time to get a sense of where we came from and how we got here. I suspect that many People Of A Certain Age take up an interest in philosophy and history for similar reasons.

And I know that those who are fighting the good fight, and who are battered ceaselessly on all sides, get tired, and hurt, and even broken. I've got a lot of sympathy for that.

It gets a little tough dealing with that from the outside as well, as privileged and coddled as that can sound. Even in agreement and sympathy it's possible to feel frustrated.

Which is why I try to extend good faith and ask for understanding rather than simply to challenge. While, at the same time, trying to be cognisant of what truly is evil or bullshit or legitimate bad faith.

("Assume good faith" has largely meant to me "in discussion, not necessarily at a fundamental level, and only to the point any reasonable basis for that presumption is extinguished." It's a rhetorical device, not an epistemological or moral one.)

Pick your battles.

Be kind. Everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/29/be-kind/

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Quote Origin: Be Kind; Everyone You Meet is Fighting a Hard Battle – Quote Investigator®