TheJenUnless you move your pieces around with your genitals, there is no goddamm good reason for CHESS COMPETITIONS to ban transgender players.
I MEAN COME THE FUCK ON.
For the folks amazed that chess competition would be segregated:
• Most women couldn't attend colleges or universities until well into the 20th century.
• Numerous Nobel Prizes have been awarded to men who stole research from women.
• Larger academic pursuits, major research positions, grants, etc. are still largely closed to women.
Academic gatekeeping is a tool of the patriarchy to keep us stupid, barefoot, and pregnant in the kitchen. This is part of that.
NOTE: NOT ALL OF THEM ARE. I KNOW
NOTE: NOT ALL OF THEM ARE. CHILL.
Henrik Sundström@JenWojcik Absolutely correct and factual, and terribly wrong!
Analog AI@JenWojcik (And you also know someone is just waiting to say "How can you say that, here's a rare exception" --- but you beat them to the punch.)
The Barking Shark@JenWojcik As a man, I am terribly embarrassed by this behavior.
Rachel A. Rosen@JenWojcik And if you are, chess just got a lot more exciting I guess (but they still shouldn't ban transgender players obviously).
Drunemeton@JenWojcik That’s stupidest thing I’ve heard today and I watched Fox News!
WagesOf@JenWojcik there's no reason to have men's or women's leagues at all in chess.
Tom RitchfordThe women's chess titles were apparently created comparatively recently, in order to encourage more women to play chess.
The top female chess player of all time, Judit Polgár, would be the 52nd strongest active player today, I just found out.
There isn't a "men's" division, it seems to be called "open" and women can and do participate.
This is what I learned in 10 minutes with Google, very interesting - no editorializing meant here, I simply had no idea.
MenachemSchmuel@TomSwirly @WagesOf @JenWojcik while it's true that the women's division in chess doesn't exist for the same reasons as in athletics, it would then follow that excluding trans women is completely unjustifiable; there is no advantage that can be corrected by years of hormone therapy
@menachemschmuel @TomSwirly @JenWojcik I stand corrected, a women's league should exist because boys are mean and girls are icky.
@JenWojcik Exactly! Just ban the people who refuse to use their hands, feet, or mouth to move the pieces.
Matej Završnik@JenWojcik What is the stated reason?
Woods By The Sea(Other than transphobia) they didn't give one.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/fide-chess-ban-transgender-women-b2394457.html
And to add to the problem:
"Under the new guidelines, any transgender men who earned their titles in pre-transition period in a women’s tournament will be stripped of those achievements and the “abolished women title may be transferred into a general title of the same or lower level... But trans women who won titles in men’s events will be allowed to keep that title in full.”
Ed G.@woodsbythesea @matejpp @JenWojcik The article is not accurate. There are no "men's" events or titles. There are general titles and events, and a separate system of "women's" titles. The new FIDE rule is that trans women keep the general titles they hold, but trans men don't keep their women-specific titles. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
(The unreasonable thing is that FIDE is barring trans women from women's events until they decide otherwise on a case-by-case basis. WTH is that?)
TurboQuokka@woodsbythesea @matejpp @JenWojcik Just when you think the whole thing couldn’t possibly get more misogynistic or transphobic than it already is…
🏳️🌈Superdave! 😘🍷👨🦯@JenWojcik Why The Hell is Chess gendered??? 😡
John LuskAsk a simple question....
Insanely good article making me late for work.
Ivey Janette McClelland@JenWojcik They don't ban them from tiddlywinks contests. Or trivia night at the local bar.
Phlawless@IveyJanette @JenWojcik But they will, and very soon, for no better reason but moral panic
Big Kumera Energy@JenWojcik wait chess has gender divisions? What the fuck?
@depereo Always has...
Steve Downey
CavyherdUnlike, for example, concert piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmZrzN3WFE
(It blows my mind that this is a thing that even exists.... 🤦 😂 )
Ukraine President plays the piano
Michael Stanclift@JenWojcik @drahardja why is chess gendered to begin with?
@vmstan @drahardja I'm sorry...are y'all really this clueless?
EVERYTHING IS GENDERED SO AS TO EXCLUDE WOMEN FROM THEM.
IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME.
@JenWojcik @drahardja well aside from the obvious 😆
Steve Laskevitch@JenWojcik @vmstan @drahardja This has been an interesting thread!
Apparently women can and do compete in the "open" category, and there is a separate "women's" category as well.
Vera Menchik was the first woman to appear in international open competitions in the 1920s and 30s, until she was killed by the Fascists at the age of 38.
Bruno Rohée@vmstan @JenWojcik @drahardja It's not. Chess tournaments are accessible to all. Since they are heavily men dominated (for what I'd wager are totally non-biological reasons given the example of Judith Polgar) there are also women only tournaments and I assume those are the ones with old school views on womanhood.
Dana das Grau 🧙🏻🧝♂️@JenWojcik is this actually an issue somewhere? You are right; zero rationale.
@DanadasGrau I wouldn't have said anything if it wasn't...
@JenWojcik yeah, that first part was mostly a rhetorical question
@DanadasGrau I'm feeling pretty literal tonight.
@JenWojcik I saw the article in the independent after I read your post.
@JenWojcik they are implying that there is some innate advantage in the brains of men and trans women over the brains of cis women. It seems trans masc. playing in the mens division is not an issue though. Wonder why that is?
I've moved to @JenWojcik Why are there even sex segregated chess teams FFS?
I'm guessing the same reason as usual -- because the women were always winning.
HornyHive@willaful @JenWojcik not even, i bet, it only took women winning once for the olympics to segregate shooting sports.
your_huckleberry@willaful @JenWojcik it's worse than that. They invented women's chess so that they wouldn't have to confront the rampant misogyny.
>Polgár,[15] Shahade[14] and Houska[17] have said that they have encountered sexism, including belittling comments about their abilities, opponents who refused to shake hands, and online trolls questioning if girls and women belong in chess.
It's Just Jenn 🏳️⚧️@JenWojcik I can only assume the implication is that men are smarter than women, which is BS, but also we're not men. 🤷♀️
Ruby Jones@Tweetfiction @JenWojcik have they not seen The Queen's Gambit?!
(But in all seriousness, what nonsense. )
Gosunkugi@Tweetfiction @JenWojcik They have two categories, an open one for both genders, and a women only, so I think it's more to do with the women's tournament being a "protected space", which is a complete load of bull, and implies that the organisers don't care about trans women enough to even consider them women. To be honest I can see this being overturned by ruling bodies pretty quickly.
Joyographic@JenWojcik This in a sport where a player was accused of using a remote control butt plug to cheat
(moved)Galbinus Caeli 🌯@joyographic @JenWojcik does that really limit it much? I suspect remote control butt plugs are sold at my local sporting equipment retailer, Play It Again, Sports.
@JenWojcik pardon my ignorance, but isn’t chess competition open to all humans? I can’t comprehend division by gender or anything other than skill level.
Wait…that applies to more than chess…..
Wait…that applies to more than chess…..
Wurzelmann@JenWojcik oh god, please don't give them any ideas...
@JenWojcik
"They are separated while very young to avoid unplanned mating. The cream of the litters of both sexes can then be introduced in the hope of producing a champion that will we able to beat the latest generation of computers."
Mark Lenihan, Romford
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"They are separated while very young to avoid unplanned mating. The cream of the litters of both sexes can then be introduced in the hope of producing a champion that will we able to beat the latest generation of computers."
Mark Lenihan, Romford
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@JenWojcik I'm sorry, they're doing what?
Zorro Notorious MEB 😡@JenWojcik I was unaware they did that.
PointlessSpike@JenWojcik I'm confused as to why you would segregate men and women anyway.
sambeau@JenWojcik You’d think that a sport where a pawn can transition into a queen would be more understanding
Kevan@JenWojcik I agree. I don't know who came up with that insane crap, but they have no place making the rules LOL.
ex or current IDF unwelcome@JenWojcik I definitely wouldn't want to see a game played like that.
Severák@JenWojcik maybe they are thinking that women are less intelligent...
I know this is horrible idea but after I have seen some ideas from anti-trans crowd I believe that some of them genuinely believe in this nonsense.
I know this is horrible idea but after I have seen some ideas from anti-trans crowd I believe that some of them genuinely believe in this nonsense.
Sandra Gomes@JenWojcik I never understood why chess competitions are even divided by gender...
@xanoquita @JenWojcik they're not divided in the same way as athletics. The number of women in chess is way lower than it should be, just like in STEM fields, and the reasons why are up for debate but imo boil down to cultural issues. Tldr: women who get into chess are way more likely to face harassment. There is no men's league; only an open league and a women's league, which makes it easier for women to get noticed and chase sponsorships, hopefully encouraging more young girls to start playing
@menachemschmuel @JenWojcik I see. Thanks for the explanation!
Baron Woke of Carlsberg@JenWojcik I always thought it was spelled "Pawn".
Mi Lia> The FIDE did not offer any justification or reason for the policy change that was updated in its handbook.
So it seems they've just pulled this out of their ass?
> The regulatory organisation that governs international chess competitions said that players who transition “from a male to a female” will not be allowed to play in women’s chess events until further notice which could take up to two years.
I have to ask though. Does FIDE assume that a male brain is stronger than a female brain in chess, and for this reason it could be considered cheating for such trans people to participate in women's contests? Additionally they assume that it doesn't change at all during the transition.
Oh boy, what a F mess.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/fide-chess-ban-transgender-women-b2394457.html