@raymondpert As much as I'm not a fan of any restrictions, I do think that demanding people to have at least shown sufficient proficiency and gun etiquette, knowledge of safety rules and not being known for domestic violence or convicted of violent crimes is reasonable to demand.
Still the overlooked Propblem nationwide is the #ViolenceCulture that spreads #PropagandaOfTheDeed and supports #StochasticTerrorism in the form of #AdvancedSuicides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VQULyT390
@raymondpert I'm convinced that makes a bigger impact on #PublicSafety espechally since nations with equal if not higher gun density per capita don't even come close to deaths by gun per capita.
(Excluding suicides but including advanced suicide victims except the shooter)
#Florida is 26th state to allow permitless carry despite risks to public safety, growing opposition >No permit, safety training, or background check: That's what's needed to carry a loaded #gun in over half the country. Nothing! #Florida is the 26th state to let adults carry #handguns without a permit or license. Meanwhile, states that allow permitless carry, which is also called "constitutional carry," continually see increased violence and death. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/20/2182214/-Florida-is-26th-state-to-allow-permitless-carry-despite-risks-to-public-safety-growing-opposition #constitutional #US
@TomSwirly @raymondpert I'd love to but I'm neither a resident nor citizen of the USA, and as much as I'd love to replace the system, the odds would rather empower a facist coup and civil war than anything, making the lives of everyone worse.
The math says no, esepchally since that has already been seen and done with fatal consequences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War
@kkarhan @raymondpert While I won't entirely fight the stochastic terrorist arguments...I'd point to every other country having much fewer mass shootings than the U.S. (Short of maybe active warzones?).
Like, they cited some websites, but...every other country also has access to those same websites.
@AT1ST @raymondpert depends.
By sheer numbers, tue #WarOnDrugs in #Mexico and the #USA is more lethal than the wars in #Iraq and #Afghanistan were.
Again: The problem are people harming people, not that they use a firearm in lieu of a bladed weapon or explosives or whatever.
@kkarhan @raymondpert The problem you're ignoring is the effectiveness of a given weapon.
It's not that you *can't* use a bladed weapon, but it's that they're less likely to be reached with one, nor less likely to be more fatal.
And there's a reason that the U.S. put in security measures after one day of people using passenger airplanes as their weapon of choice; now it happens significantly less.
@AT1ST @raymondpert would you retract that moot point if the most successful attacker was with an axe in Germany and not the person with a Glock and 300+ rounds?
Not to mention that in the post-#Luty & post-#FGC9 era any gun orohibition is not effectively enforceable, thus only resulting #SecurityTheater aka. false sense of security...
@AT1ST @raymondpert It's very obvious that there are reasons to deny ownership / access to guns to certain individuals, just like there are reasoms to suspend driving licenses.
But you can only confiscate stuff successfully if you know of it's existance and location.
https://mstdn.social/@brosandprose/110764512992697180
I do obey the laws of my jurostiction, but statistically that makes me part if a minority.
"Between January 2020 and June 2023, the Philadelphia Sheriffโs Office received more than 10,000 protection-from-abuse orders that required sheriffs to retrieve firearms and other weapons from alleged abusers or obtain an affidavit claiming that none are owned. Only 13% of those orders have been completed, a rate far lower than in surrounding suburban counties. Sheriff Rochelle Bilal has set a firearm-relinquishment goal of 70%." https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/domestic-violence-philadelphia-protective-order-act-79-sheriffs-office-20230723.html
@LunaDragofelis @AT1ST @raymondpert and even then most of it is #SecurityTheater since underpaid Seccies don't make shit safe, but Captains refusing to takeoff when some Karen assaults the crew...
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@kkarhan @LunaDragofelis @raymondpert That's ignoring the point; they took a few security theatre measures, but they *also* took *actual* additional security measures too.
The U.S. doesn't even get security theatre in response to mass shootings; probably because the CDC isn't allowed to check if they are actively working or not.
@kkarhan @raymondpert Why would you not be a fan of restrictions?
Has it escaped your attention that the country with the least gun restrictions is also the country with the highest rate gun murders?
I imagine you aren't also against driver's licenses? So what's the difference?
@TomSwirly @raymondpert
1. If you want to claim that I'm your enemy then you are mistaken. I'll refuse to fit that box.
2. If you read my toot even halfway through, you'd realize that I think that things like a driving license are more than justified, and that DUI is rightfully intolerable.
3. You try to ignore the fact that the problem are what people do to other people, not that they use fireams.
4. Actually, there are multiple places with more guns per capita, but that's not the point.
> You try to ignore the fact that the problem are what people do to other people, not that they use fireams.
No, I do not.
The problem of violent people cannot be completely fixed, but it can be mitigated, and every society mitigates it by preventing people access to some classes of weapons.
Private citizens are universally not allowed to cultivate anthrax, synthesize Sarin, or build firebombs.
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The idea that in the US, the left will outshoot the right in a shooting war is not reasonable, considering the already huge arms differential and the attitude toward murdering strangers.
The only hope is a stronger society, not we individually taking arms.
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Also, I was correct to say that the US has more guns per capita than anywhere else: twice as many (or far more):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/gun-ownership-by-country/
Please adjust your beliefs accordingly! ๐
@TomSwirly @raymondpert that number only accounts for official statistics and legal ownership.
For example, Germany has at leat 16,7M confirmed cuns that didn't get registered in 1972.
Add to that inventory losses from military and police since WW1 and the fact that it's logistical center and harsh criminalization makes it a center for trafficking you'll get > 40M illegal guns on ~ 80M people.
(Video in German): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No7BTPf52NM
@TomSwirly @raymondpert amd that doesn't even account for #EUgunban retroactively criminalizing magazines that were previously fully legal to buy with no paperwork and the technological advancements in #3Dprinting and it's safe to say that if guns were the problem, Germany with ~ 15M legal guns per capita should've expected the same amount of shootings per capita and guns as the USA does.
Yet it doesn't even come close at all...
Mind you JStark was from Germany...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlB2QV5wVxg
@TomSwirly @raymondpert In short, meither #guns nor #laws can explain the situation in the #USA, since #Canada has been way more relaxed in several parts yet never camr close to the #USA, so it's certainly a cultural thing...
And #ViolenceCulture - and maybe inaccessibility of #MentalHealthCare - does provide a better explaination.
@TomSwirly @raymondpert no, not really.
Any #Prohibition is only being used as a means to criminalize, prosecute, harass and outlaw marginalized groups and people.
Any prohibition is bad - regardless if weapons, drugs, alcohol or sexwork.
Because only a legalized market can be surveyed and regulations be enforced.
A good and modern example is the ban of #dockless #eScooter rentals, in the #UK resulting in widespread ownership of #eScooters and rampant amounts of (illegalized) driving with them.
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