Not only will #Threads not be launching in the EU (presumably because it'll be sucking up so much personal data that they can't make it GDPR compliant), but now the The European Court of Justice has agreed with Germany’s anti-cartel watchdog that Meta can't share harvested personal data between Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp. That ruling will also apply to Threads.

A great day for consumer protections.

https://www.thelocal.com/20230704/eu-court-deals-blow-to-meta-in-german-data-case/ #Meta

EU court deals blow to Meta in German data case

Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp may need to overhaul how they collect the data of users in Europe after the top EU court ruled against parent company Meta on Tuesday.

The Local

I'm seeing articles like this one claim the reason for the non-EU launch is the EU's Digital Markets Act, not GDPR, but I'm not sure the source on that. As far as I can tell, Meta haven't stated their reasons, and the Irish Data Protection Commission haven't blocked anything yet (Ireland because that's where Meta's European office is). The DMA is the act stopping Meta combining data from different platforms.

Please update me if you see any clarifications on the matter!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/jul/05/meta-delays-eu-launch-of-twitter-rival-threads-amid-uncertainty-over-personal-data-use

Meta delays EU launch of Twitter rival Threads amid uncertainty over personal data use

New app developed by Facebook and WhatsApp owner is due to launch in the UK and US on Thursday

The Guardian
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Hm, I've seen DMA cited in conversations on the Mastodon discord where that seems to be the consensus about their reasons for no EU rollout. I haven't seen evidence per se, but we could consider that it's available in the UK which has GDPR but no DMA
@Brendanjones It's not going as far as I would like, but I will accept this. #Meta should be regulated out of business.
@jackoneill Colonel it's an honour but I'd prefer you kept your focus on the Goa'uld.
@Brendanjones My fight is against *all* false gods. I'm here let you know that Zuck just want you all as slaves for his data mine.
@jackoneill ah, the false god of money, Mu'lah.

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Similarly interesting, the Court stressed that data protection and access to personal data are crucial factors for #competition in digital markets (Para 51).

Breaches against the #GDPR can be considered by competition authorities when assessing the abuse of a dominant position under EU Law (Para 48).

https://curia.europa.eu/juris/documents.jsf?num=C-252/21

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@Brendanjones They passed a similar rule on WhatsApp when Facebook bought it. FB said OK fine, then a few months later they just ignored it & centralised all User data anyway! Never heard of any penalty but if there was it was most probably simply absorbed into their accounts & forgotten about.
Bis repetita.
@Quantillion Indeed. However as Sebastian noted, this decision opens up ways to deal with that https://mstdn.social/@sebaskr/110658023316584690
Sebastian Kränzle (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Similarly interesting, the Court stressed that data protection and access to personal data are crucial factors for #competition in digital markets (Para 51). Breaches against the #GDPR can be considered by competition authorities when assessing the abuse of a dominant position under EU Law (Para 48). https://curia.europa.eu/juris/documents.jsf?num=C-252/21

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@Quantillion that is actually the case they are still fighting over in court

@Quantillion
What galls me is that even sensitive professions such as doctors use a 'professional account' on WhatsApp. Talk about keeping patient data private.
Many hospitals and blood labs use Google services in the Netherlands. It's rampant.

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@pascaline @Quantillion I mean the patient data itself is private – Whatsapp aren't reading your messages – but they do know that you're talking to a doctor, and when. In any case I completely agree, public services shouldn't be using proprietary, closed systems.

I was just reading this, it's for universities but many of the points apply to the public sector also https://netzpolitik.org/2023/a-call-to-action-universities-of-the-world-into-the-fediverse/. Good read.

A Call to Action: Universities of the World, Join the Fediverse!

While there is a lot of discussion about new Twitter alternatives and the relevance of journalists and other critical groups of users, the potential of university-based Fediverse instances has hardly been addressed. It is high time for universities to get involved in the Fediverse. This is a call to action.

netzpolitik.org
@pascaline @Quantillion And I definitely know what you mean with hospitals using Google services here in NL. Even the Google cookies I can't stand. Nee, ik wil aub geen Youtube cookies!
@Brendanjones @Quantillion THIS! Exactly! And people don't realise those cookies can travel long and fast.

@pascaline brb, gonna go down to the Diakonessenhuis and tell anyone who'll listen about Peertube 🤓

@Quantillion

@Brendanjones Good news.
That's what is needed in 'Murica too.
@Brendanjones It's hilarious they think they're going to just be able to turn on ActivityPub and start pulling in posts (with *no license* no less!) from millions of EU persons when they're so badly out of compliance they can't even offer their own service there.
@Brendanjones Maybe that's been the end game all along. Promise open protocol and federation, then at the last minute "oops we can't for legal reasons" blaming the GDPR bogey man they already want to convince everyone to hate.

@Brendanjones 😎👍👍👍 Good to have GDPR intercepting the greedy grifting data krakens!

#EU #GDPR #MetaThreads #Meta #Threads #DataKrakens #DataHarvesting

@Brendanjones Mack Zuckerberg is no better than Pablo Escobar. He gets people addicted to something that he makes a personal profit from.

@Brendanjones Wasn’t the timeline the other way round? The German case was a week ago, so Meta‘s decision not to launch threads is probably following that ruling. When using WhatsApp (then) Facebook agreed to not share data which they then did nonetheless. In view of the cases it makes sense for them to now be more careful. These might well be practical challenges to comply more carefully and show some goodwill.

It’s messy, but it’s a technical and legal mess, not morally.

@b3n per my second post in the thread, that's unknown. Neither Meta nor the Irish DPC have said the exact reason why Threads isn't launching in the EU (as far as I know).

@Brendanjones Sure, I'm speculating here, hence "probably."

And sorry if I overlooked something, I can just see one post for whatever reason.

@Brendanjones it's mostly because #NSAbook as Stasi 4.0 wants to link data, and they don't want to get extra SLAPP'd and another permanent injuction by the European Court by blatantly violating their latest ruling that bans them from doing so.
@Brendanjones I don’t think this is correct, they do plan to launch Threads in EU. Privacy controls do require time/effort to implement.
@kfet yeah, I probably could’ve written that better. Not saying they won’t *ever* launch in the EU, but not anytime soon given the structural changes they need to make to the app and its data sharing with Instagram.