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Track_Shovel Jun 22, 2023

I am about to kick some journalists in the nuts real hard.

YOU failed to report on the dire warnings of scientists the past *checks the 6 IPCC reports* 33 years with your bloody "both-sideism" and now it's our fault?

Fuck you, the Hill. Fuck you very very much.

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4057045-catch-22-scientific-communication-failures-linked-to-faster-rising-seas/

Catch-22: Scientific communication failures linked to faster-rising seas

Scientists failed for decades to communicate the coming risks of rapid sea-level rise to policymakers and the public, a new study has found. That has created a climate catch-22 in which scientists have soft-pedaled the kinds of catastrophic risks most easily headed off by cutting emissions. While scientific communication has improved in the 2020s, this…

The Hill

HighlandLawyer Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys
"Scientists failed for decades to communicate the coming risks of rapid sea-level rise to people who stuck their fingers in their ears and said 'la la la, I can't hear you', a new study has found."

Ben Curthoys Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys Pretty sure that the scientists' job is doing the science, and it's the journalists who are paid to - and have by their own reckoning failed to - do the communicating.

RevJeber Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys
We always shoot the messenger…then fail to report the shooting.

Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦Jun 22, 2023

@jeber @JorisMeys Yet this very angry criticism on Mastodon is shooting the messenger. In this case, The Hill is the messenger, reporting (accurately) on what a recent study said.

This isn't The Hill editorializing.

Joris Meys Jun 22, 2023

@nafnlaus @jeber They're reporting the wrong study the wrong way. And have been for over 3 decades. They deserve every word yelled at them.

Army Girl Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys the Hill is a right wing propaganda machine.

Smirk 😏Jun 21, 2023

Reminder: The Hill is, and has always been, garbage.

actualeyes Jun 23, 2023

@smirk @JorisMeys you said what I came to say. That is of coarse unless you see value in an op ed written by someone like Newt Gingrich entitled "Democrats Cause Cancer"

Obsolete Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys
They're right I don't remember scientists ever mentioning anything about global warming because I wasn't listening either.

kim_harding ✅Jun 21, 2023

Samhain Night Jun 22, 2023

@kim_harding @JorisMeys Except we knew about it in the 70’s, not just th 90’s, but I guess that would make the comic a little long

Full Report Below Jun 23, 2023

@samhainnight @kim_harding @JorisMeys German jounalist Holmar von Dittfurth, 1978. Even when you don't understand German, the chart is pretty clear https://youtu.be/gROxruxyTiM

naught101 Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys the article is right though..

We scientists are the ones with the education to understand the climate and uncertainty. Who else has the expertise to communicate it?

Of course, we have to battle against a capitalist system hooked on fossil fuels that controls most of the media and wants to stifle the information, but it's still on us to get the message out there despite that.

Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder Jun 21, 2023

@naught101 @JorisMeys

Scientists have been communicating it. For decades.
Decades.
I am at a loss as to how they were supposed to force people who refuse to believe, or even listen, to them.

One cannot even convince people about Trump, despite that he is Trumping in their faces 24/7.

naught101 Jun 22, 2023

@Edelruth @JorisMeys poorly to start with. The comms are getting much better now.

Part of it, I think, is that there has never been a communication task as complex as this. The chain of events is actually a mesh, and the forecast horizon is astounding, and there's massive uncertainties in everything (and most people's capacity for understanding risk is near-zero)

We're never going to convince everyone, but we don't need to. But we still ned to work on our methods for those who are convinceable

Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder Jun 22, 2023

@naught101 @JorisMeys

Solutions have to come from governments, which means politicians have to convince voters, and politicians dont take unpopular positions - if they do, they can't get elected.

I think I just realized that democracy is antithetical to getting populations to act to mitigate carbon emissions.

naught101 Jun 23, 2023

@Edelruth @JorisMeys I'm not sure that the initial part of your statement is true. Solutions come from people who think about problems. Governments implement them when Politicians feel pressure from their constituents (via voting AND campaigning, lobbying, and protesting)

Southern Leftist Jun 22, 2023

@naught101 @JorisMeys
Well, then its more the capitalists' fault and not yours.

🇺🇦 Anna Filina Jun 23, 2023

@naught101 @JorisMeys The companies and politicians understood global warming. They renamed it to climate change as a PR stunt. They then chose not to give a f*ck about the issue and line their pockets, while shifting blame on the consumers. Can't blame scientists for "not explaining it well". Anyone with half a brain and even less already undestood it.

Oscar Civit Flores Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys The Simpsons metaphorically predicted this... sigh

Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder Jun 21, 2023

@ocivitf @JorisMeys

There you go!

Photo Ewen 📷Jun 21, 2023

There's a time and place to use of profane language, and THIS is surely it.

yunchtime Jun 21, 2023

the Hill really is shite.

Jargoggles Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys
The Narcissist's Prayer:

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
We are here -> And if I did, you deserved it.

Brosephine Wires Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys I’m not a scientist, and this is clearly bullshit. What?

Winjay Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys I agree with your assessment. As a child, I was wondering why scientific warnings about pollution of all kinds got dismissed or reported on like they were just an opinion piece. If I could understand the issue, journalists could.

LisPi Jun 22, 2023

@winjay @JorisMeys A lot of my cynicism & disappointment with society dates from when I understood that greed was why.

Kevin Sweeney Jun 21, 2023

@JorisMeys Absolutely. Failed to communicate? Those in the earth sciences (the space I'm familiar with) have been shouting this message from every hilltop, for decades now. To no avail.

Southern Leftist Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys
How so? Sure, it's stupid, but the Hill is typically a scientific thing.

But seriously, they've been communicating this to us for years.

xanatax 🐰Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys … I kinda want to see the Twitter comments/QTs on this one. 😂 Please tell me everyone is ripping TheHill a new one, for being the exact journalists that wouldn’t publish good science, despite our SCREAMING about it.

Nicky🦨✌️Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys i just can’t with this headline…just like smoking doesn’t cause cancer fossil fuel doesn’t change climates…wasn’t it the same firm that ran both campaigns? Buying politicians for Big Oil?

Space Wrangler Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys
Maybe disinformation from oil companies that *attacked their own studies from the 1970s proving climate change was real* had an impact on public opinion.
Just a thought

Threadbane Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys
The Child Emperor's administration started the anti-science ball rolling against global warming by getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine, in place since 1947, which allowed FOX to put on global warming denialists to tell everybody it was a lie, with no opposition...or any other lie they wanted to spread.

derek Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys How is this real?

Ok, ok, semi-rhetorical question. It's real because someone paid to develop a hit piece, I get it, but still...

David Harlan Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys "failed" to get it through their thick, ignorant, denialist skulls is more like it

BrightFlame 🌟☀️🌙Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys yep.

HTTP 1.1/418 Teapot Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys @evilmicrowizard I’ve been sadly expecting a cultural pivot to “how could we have known! You should’ve told us and made us believe!” Followed by “Oopsie. Too late now. MOAR EMISSIONS!”

Jesse Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys Plus, from the Nature abstract, they appear to be blatantly misrepresenting the study by reporting "Here's how and why we're improving the IPCC" as "Scientists: it's all our fault!"

This information influenced the IPCC Sixth Assessment Report presentation of quantifiable and unquantifiable uncertainty, with the goal of preserving both elements as projections are adapted for regional application

... shocking that they'd badly report the science about badly reported science, I know

Joris Meys Jun 22, 2023

@jaawerth this. Thank you.

oceaniceternity Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys well that's obviously bullshit. I don't think any scientest ever said anything except for "climate change is bad bad shit". That article is a blatant lie.

ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys I guess it's a sign of progress if the denial has ended and the blaming has started.

#climateBlame #climate

Michel Thiel Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys Well, maybe we should start communicating with car bombs.

Oblomov Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys you know there's 500 characters available in toots, you can tell us what you *really* think without holding back.

wb x64 Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys is it the decisionmakers, oil companies, and billionaires fault? No, it's barely-funded grad school kids.

EarthOne Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys Um,
for you young'uns: "GLOBAL WARMING" has been news for 50 years. GOP/Reagan/Bush oil barons spent millions to bribe "their" scientists to rebut and deny Global Warming back then, much discussed in print and TV news reportage.
Texas oil-Bush2 changed the term to "Climate Change"; it sounded less ominous.

Remember econo-cars, in great demand, doing our part?

When I can't see to back out of my parking space, surrounded by giant SUVs and trucks, I wonder what happened.

I🤖Retrobots Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys OK. This ladies and gentleman is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Tane Piper ⁂Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys @schmidt_fu Journalists are quite well known for failing to report the facts. Especially Americans.

@JorisMeys wtf, seriously

brewdog1950 Jun 22, 2023

The media is complicit, but given their private ownership, not surprising.

#climateemergency

Argot_Robbie Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys @annaf

More pathetic face-plant climate journalism. Now we enter the "Everyone meant well - there is plenty of blame to go around" phase, wherein the Koch Bros will be cast as honest but misguided do-gooders antagonized by just-as-guilty eggheads who didn't know their place.

Bleah.

The Hill might look into its own contribution to emissions: its script-bloated CO2-belching site, which never fails to warm the motherboards of all who visit. I've seen The Hill eat 10% of my CPU.

KoraunuiPakeha Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys Literally millions of children and teens have understood what the "both sides" journalists never did.

ferricoxide Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys "It's your fault I didn't listen" said the people who didn't want to be inconvenienced.

PJ "Vote Green" Coffey Jun 22, 2023

I'm going to say #Journalists need to step up their game on this one.

Peter Roopnarine Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys total BS

GreenSkyOverMe (Monika)Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys 👠 👠 here take these, extra pointy

belikekramer Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys I've been wondering why some folks dont like this paper...am getting the idea

Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys …and they’re doing it again, over Long Covid, over water misuse, and over biodiversity reduction. We’re in a weird phase of journalism. The only ‘threats’ they report are ones of their own invention. Real existential dangers are apparently too scary.

Rafael “Akai” Masoni Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys The audacity lol

J P Jun 22, 2023

@JorisMeys Who should be blamed for promoting apathy? Everyone collectively is at fault but some significantly more than others. I think.