I think we can all agree that if Reddit’s recent bullshit ends up meaning people go back to running old school forums it’ll be the absolute funniest possible outcome
@leigh people were talking about going back to Digg and Fark, it was pretty amusing
@wilbr @leigh I haven’t been to Fark in ages, but it used to be a daily thing for me 20 years ago.
@ramsey @wilbr @leigh if you were wondering which of Skinnyhead or Tatsuma would go to prison for murder, the answer was actually GaryPDX
@wilbr @leigh I believe Slashdot is still running somehow.
@hittitezombie @wilbr @leigh They don't support IPv6 and that's weird for a nerd forum.
@leigh but what will we append to google searches to try to get useful results? 🙃
@ann @leigh append the accursed site still, but scrape the data and host somewhere nicer
@eaton lmao
@leigh @eaton  is still alive and well! #PHPBB
@ramsey @leigh @eaton No joke, I have honestly thought about installing a phpBB forum on my website but I didn't find any way for mobile users to conveniently browse it.
@AimeeMaroux @leigh @eaton Is the UI not mobile friendly?
@ramsey @leigh @eaton The one I was looking at did not have app integration that would notify users of new replies etc. akin to, say, the Discord app. And I think that is needed for mobile only or mobile first users to engage.
@AimeeMaroux @leigh @eaton Ah, yes. I wasn’t thinking about notifications. I guess you would need a dedicated app with push notification functionality for that.
@AimeeMaroux @leigh @eaton This looks promising. It’s not free, but the pricing looks reasonable. The board owners would need to install it, though. https://phpbb.pro/pushnotifications
phpBB Browser & Mobile Notifications Extension

phpBB Browser & Mobile Notifications Extension sends notifications from your board to the user's PC or smartphone even if not viewing your board.

@ramsey @leigh @eaton That is very reasonable pricing indeed and as I understand it, it works on mobile without having to install an app? 👀
The board owner would be me, so that wouldn't be a problem 😁
@AimeeMaroux @leigh @eaton That’s what it looks like. It appears to use the built-in browser notifications system (on both desktop and mobile). I’ve never seen notifications from a mobile browser, though, so I’m not sure how well it works.
@ramsey @leigh @eaton I just tested it. I can enable it on desktop but it doesn't work for me on mobile. Might be my browser or settings but the option to enable browser notifications just doesn't show up at all, not even in desktop mode.
@AimeeMaroux @leigh @eaton It looks like the Push API is disabled by default in mobile Safari, if that’s what you’re using. Here’s how to turn it on: https://www.xda-developers.com/how-enable-safari-notifications-iphone/
@ramsey @leigh @eaton And if it is already activated, I didn't get any notifications 😕
Could be I have to activate it in the phone's settings somewhere, though.

@eaton @leigh was literally talking about this with friends yesterday.

Honestly, it's easier to run today than it was 15 years ago. We have containers and open source observability. We have push button cloud servers and load balancers.

It's not easy, but it's far more accessible and way cheaper.

@gatesvp @eaton @leigh I used to run a few small instances of phpBB, including one heavily modified to be a semi-public KnowledgeBase/communications tool, it was absurdly flexible and easy to modify.

I think better moderation tools and solid oath identify management would have made it a solid contender for these massive services.

@eaton
@leigh
Time to dust off vBulletin.
@eaton @leigh this made me laugh so hard. I ran one of these for a Robot Chicken fan site....until my stupid ass couldn't figure out how to wipe the spam attack on it so I just gave up and deleted the whole thing.
@NerdRage42 @eaton a classic way forums end!!
@leigh @eaton oh man. It was the worst. I was at a point where it had spread out of control and users were miserable and I apologized one last time and said I was in over my head and then ≈BLIP≈ Gone.
@leigh I look forward to PHP compromises being a thing again.
@pierogipowered @leigh What are PHP compromises?
@ramsey @leigh The timeline seems about right, it must have been https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhpBB that was constantly getting compromised back in the day.
phpBB - Wikipedia

@pierogipowered @leigh Ah. Yeah. When you have a very popular application, people will find holes in it. It’s still around, and the devs have worked hard to harden and improve it.
@pierogipowered @leigh The project that I remember getting compromised a lot was PHP-Nuke because several of my own sites got compromised in around 2003-04. 🤣 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP-Nuke
PHP-Nuke - Wikipedia

@leigh I'll have to dust off my old Web Rings 💍💍💍
@leigh @CosmicTraveler This would be cool if web search engines still worked.
@leigh only if we can bring back dialup along with them
@Cdespinosa Somebody should make a BBS look alike for ActivityPub.

@leigh I'm already starting to naturally do that. Earlier today I was trying to find some information about Project Zomboid and ended up on the game devs' official forums.

(Unfortunately I did not find the information I was looking for, but I had forgotten such things even could exist.)

@leigh I cut my proverbial teeth on vBulletin and phpBB. This is my time to shine.
@leigh can we get something better than phpBB?
@robmathers @leigh There's Discourse, which is at least somewhat nicer to use in my experience.
@leigh I don’t know, if it goes back to a combination of specifically Wordpress and PHPBB2, I don’t think I’ll ever stop laughing
@leigh USENET is looking better every day
@charles_buckley @leigh The biggest problem with Usenet is it got overwhelmed with spam. If something were done about that, it could become viable for communication again.

@rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh The only way to crack that problem (spam on USENET) would be to implement newsgroup moderation. Which IS a thing I'm surprised to find out - the protocol and software supports it.

I guess by the time I phased out of newsgroup usage (mid 00s? it was hard to find a free news server) I had never participated in one.

@rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh My vote would be to piggyback newsgroup traffic and proper reply threading on top of ActivityPub. I mean, conceptually, Lemmy/kbin mags/comms are no different from a newsgroup.

Imagine following alt.tv.babylon5 *as a hashtag*.

@tezoatlipoca @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh 🤞 someone bring back Forté Free Agent kbin edition and i'm in
@vga256 @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh Holy shit Forte Free Agent was a good piece of software. They don't write em like they used to. Forte just *worked*.
@tezoatlipoca @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh 😅 i sure got a lot of mileage out of that program back in the day.

@vga256 @tezoatlipoca @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh Agent was SOLID. One of the better Windows 3.1 applications I used at the time.

I like sharing my Windows 3.1 desktop from that time whenever topics like this come up. You can see the Internet stuff on the bottom left. It was brand new to me at the time!

@zorinlynx @vga256 @tezoatlipoca @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh I love this screenshot so much; thank you for sharing it. Just curious, how did ”Lock the PC with bios PW” work?
@vga256 @tezoatlipoca @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh One of my long-term project ideas was a Reddit-to-NNTP bridge (that got X'ed off the list recently for obvious reasons)... I was wondering how Fediverse-to-NNTP would work, so that's probably a good entrypoint...
@tezoatlipoca @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh I was the first one on rec.arts.sf.tv.b5 to make the "the first one sank into the swamp" joke
@ldpm @rodneylives @charles_buckley @leigh Whoa - the dark magics, you were there when it was written.
@leigh if we brought back the animated gif, we can do anything
@annaleen @leigh (digs in old folder for under_construction.gif)