@PaulNickson @soc_i_ety ? It can survive, if people don’t stand up for their human rights.
It has quite obviously survived for the hundreds of years since it escaped from Britannia.
@PaulNickson @soc_i_ety Einstein-Freud Theory of War is very interesting, especially if you have the patience to read the two, full letters exchanged between them, as it is very succinct, but thorough.
The parallels to UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights are pragmatically undeniable.
https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cavitch/pdf-library/Freud_and_Einstein_Why_War.pdf
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
@msquebanh @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety “But it may not be Utopian to hope that these two factors, the cultural attitude and the justified dread of the consequences of a future war, may result within a measurable time in putting an end to the waging of war. By what paths or by what side-tracks this will come about we cannot guess. But one thing we can say: whatever fosters the growth of civilization works at the same time against war.”
- Sigmund Freud
@KashifShah @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety I'd prefer if you used your own words & experiences in response to my own words & experiences.
I don't actually foster growing of civilization. I do foster degrowth which goes against it. I foster decolonization which is another reason I don't like having colonizer quotes in response to my personal words. I'm unsure if you're aware that goes against decolonization & it's unsavory for me. There's many POC wisdoms available. I'd prefer hearing more of those.
@msquebanh @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety Since when were Einstein and Freud colonizers? They were literally the victims of German colonizers and got exiled just before WW2 for being pacifists and/or Jewish?
And, as a POC, myself, I see no reason not to stand on the shoulders of scientists, if their science is sound and their aims are pure.
@msquebanh @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety Heh, my personal thoughts and opinions are very much in alignment with theirs.
I am a bachelor of psychology and a bachelor of mathematics, so I share some basic fundamentals of thought with them.
See these tags for a sampling of my voice / presence.
#NoHumanRightsNoCountry #NoHumanRightsNoAmerica
Inject the real.
@KashifShah @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety You could just say that you're more comfy not sharing your personal words. I'm in alignment with many famous & wise dead folks. It doesn't mean I still don't use my own words to describe my own thoughts & feelings in present day & why I feel it's important to speak for yourself with your own words.
I don't need you or anyone else do that if it's not comfy for you or them. It does make me wonder why though & that doesn't require a response either.
@msquebanh @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety Ever read Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard?
I agree with him that the overproduction of thoughts and words is an analogue to the overproduction of capitalism - something destructive to meaning.
For me, quoting the thoughts of others is like sampling a beat in music or singing a cover song
But, still, if you can’t paraphrase or summarize theory, that does just make you a parrot of meaninglessness, as Baudrillard might say.
@msquebanh @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety True, I’ve been juggling several different threads.
Do you mind re-asking the main question and I’ll do my best to use my own words, but i might need more than 500 characters 😅
Heh, I turn 40 in a few months ;)
If you see anything of yourself in me, then I take it as a compliment! I already had much respect for you, my friend, not having known anything about you, but have even more respect now that I know a little more about you.
@KashifShah @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety I see my old super idealistic self in you. I see my younger human rights supporter in you. I see some lack of courage in you. All of these are part of who I was in my 20s & 30s. I'm closer to 50 now so my stances have changed but my core values/ethics are same. I found more courage in my older yrs than in youth.
I asked why you seem to keep avoiding using your own words, to describe your own thoughts/feelings on issues important to you.
@msquebanh > "I asked why you seem to keep avoiding using your own words, to describe your own thoughts/feelings on issues important to you."
I do almost always use my own words.
However, if there is a philosophical or scientific theory that more succinctly states what I want to state, then I will lean on a reference to said philosophy or science.
It's like quoting Monty Python to get laughs: quoting thoughts to share ideas.
That's foundational to me.
@msquebanh @PaulNickson @soc_i_ety I think I partly replied to one of your statements here: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@KashifShah/110369243346987246
When Freud said “growing civilization”, as a psychologist, he was referring to his previous definition of “equal rights for all”, not any kind of colonialist “civilization”.
He would have said “culture”, but maybe he wanted to reclaim the term “civilization” to make it mean “equal rights”?
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] In the context of Einstein-Freud Theory of War, “growth of culture” means progress towards equal rights for all. Freud preferred the term civilization, to the term culture, however, he was really ultimately speaking about the rights of the ruled being grown to equality, not superiority, with the rights of the rulers.
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