@atomicpoet @fediversenews There's definitely something to what @gruber is saying. With manual account approval on mastodon.social and it being pushed as the default, I'd love to see the abandonment rate... Perhaps it's different when signing up through a phone? But getting someone all excited about trying a new social network is hard enough. Now they have to retain that excitement for an unknown amount of time, and then care enough to engage at some later date... Not much fun...

@atomicpoet totally agree, tho that is also where I can see where @gruber is coming from - the "simple" thing. Even some of my more technical friends struggled to understand how to get started with the Fediverse, but they could figure out how sign up to Mastodon. Hopefully collectively we can come up with some appropriate verbiage - or perhaps it's just a matter of time. If you dropped the word 'tweet' into a casual conversation even 10 years ago people would look at you funny.

@gr0k @atomicpoet @gruber Bluesky only seems simpler just now as there’s only one app and one server. The whole reason for developing AT was it would be federated, but “better” than ActivityPub by allowing truly nomadic user accounts. Of course the nomadic accounts don’t exist, so maybe they’ll never enable federation and just be a centralised Twitter replacement. Then their absence of actual moderation will come to bite them.

@MetalSamurai @atomicpoet @gruber for sure. I am no fan of bluesky. Doesn't change the fact it's easier to onboard when you reduce the decisions a user has to make.

@shoq @MetalSamurai @atomicpoet @gruber that's why we're here, and others are elsewhere. I'd like to say it's just 'cause we've been 'round the block, but many others have by now. Who was it who said give me convenience or give me death? We've taken a different approach. But people will be people.

@gr0k @shoq @atomicpoet @gruber I hope eventually knowledge about the Fediverse will spread, so there will be more general awareness that it’s one big social network, but you can choose your preferred on ramp. Like picking a set top box that supports your preferred streaming services, or having a favourite coffee shop (they all sell coffee, but the presentation and vibe is different).