Chris Kendall
frank_bough@ottocrat This, and many similar gripes, are why I won't make the switch. I know I need to, and I know it's coming, but the infrastructure is not there yet.
@frank_bough The infrastructure is there, we just need to ban bloody hybrids, a greenwashing technological dead-end.
@ottocrat Ipso Facto. . . the infrastructure is not there. đ¤ˇââď¸
@frank_bough No, I donât agree. Itâs a regulatory issue. Iâve never come close to a flat battery. But I have experienced hassle because of ignorant or selfish hybrid drivers.
If the infrastructure is there, but blocked from use by a petrol car who has plugged into the charging point in order to get a free parking space, thatâs not an infrastructure problem, itâs a regulatory problem.
Kaferin@ottocrat are they free? Iâm currently on hybrid and have never used a charging point as do it at home but weâve got building work upcoming and will need to charge elsewhere as it means I never use fuel on short runs. Will be changing to full electric soon.
@kaferin Theyâre not free, no - not generally. Usually easy and cheap to pay with a phone or a credit card though.
End result is the same.
Also Hybrids tend to have much higher MPG than non-hybrids don't they? So, there is *some* green value in them?
Are you paying for renewable energy at home BTW?
Got a mate who is Electric everything, including two cars and he got to the conclusion that as he was on a standard tariff electricity rate he was basically driving a coal-powered car.
Good that he wasn't polluting the local micro-environment, but doing nothing for the world's macro-environment.
@frank_bough Last time I checked a hybridâs consumption was about the same as a good diesel car. Iâm charging from solar panels at home.
@ottocrat On a green tariff? If not, you have a coal powered car.
Anyway, appreciate you probably didn't want a discussion off the back of your mini-rant !!
Hope you are well.
@frank_bough My own solar panels, which also charge my home battery! For the times I do need to import power from the grid, yes Iâm on a green tariff. Anyway, v happy to have the discussion, and also v conscious that EVs arenât âgreenâ theyâre just less filthy. I do get annoyed by hybrids though!
Simon@ottocrat @frank_bough I think Chris might be multi-homed, but here in the UK coal makes up 1% of the power supply. Renewables + Nuclear are 60% of the supply, gas the rest.
Most EV drivers go for one of the cheap timed charging tariffs which operate when expensive sources like gas are at a minimum.
And home solar means you generate half the power you use anyway.
@Simian60 Multi-homed sounds a bit jetset! I do rent a flat at my workplace, but 95% of my charging is done at home either when the sun shines or overnight on the Octopus EV tariff, and thereâs no coal going into that.
@frank_bough @Simian60 It depends on the time of day. If youâre using the grid at peak times then youâre probably burning some hydrocarbons. But off-peak and youâre almost certainly not. I donât draw from the grid during peak hours, thatâs why I invested in a home battery.
@frank_bough end result isnât the point, itâs about how you solve it.
Hughster@ottocrat It's a toughie. Electric-only definitely better, but I can understand why it isn't an option for many yet (due to long mileage, lack of infra in their area, etc.)âso shouldn't drivers of such vehicles at least be encouraged to use the electric side of their vehicles more than the petrol side?
@hughster I see no justification at all for hybrids, theyâre a crutch to keep ICE vehicles on the road for longer, those reasons are spurious imo - meanwhile the two spots by my front door are almost always occupied by two giant BMW hybrid SUVs who clearly arenât actually charging but plug in to get a free parking spot.
@ottocrat I think it depends on where you are at the moment. Plenty of charging points in the small-ish regional city here and along major arterial roads leading in and out, but head out into the surrounding towns and villages and more minor roads and there are none at all for miles.
@hughster But those people can install charging points at home. Thereâs no need for public charging points every five miles.
@ottocrat They can, but that won't be much help if they do a lot of driving to and from other towns and villages that don't have any charging points, not passing any on the way. And even in towns and villages not everyone has off-street parking to install a charging point.
@hughster 250 mile range isnât enough? My sense is that many people look for reasons not to switch. I get that many people canât afford it, but I donât buy the range excuse, I donât think thatâs valid these days.
slideman
Matt Graham@ottocrat
I'm one of your (plug-in) hybrid drivers. Currently achieving 149.7 mpg of petrol. Not exactly gas guzzling. Most days I drive about 30 miles, the battery range.
For the previous 10 years I drove a petrol/battery hybrid which averaged 60mpg.
I'm one of your (plug-in) hybrid drivers. Currently achieving 149.7 mpg of petrol. Not exactly gas guzzling. Most days I drive about 30 miles, the battery range.
For the previous 10 years I drove a petrol/battery hybrid which averaged 60mpg.
@weematt It still feels like a dead end and a corporate dodge to me. Even five years ago I could see the point but not now. So many conversations Iâve had with EV-curious friends & family who go hybrid âfor nowâ because theyâre nervous & havenât actually investigated properly. (Parallels with moving to Mastodon.)
Andreas H.@ottocrat one of the big luxury SUV makers put a CCS port on their hybrid so they can take up a precious fast charging spot on the motorway, it's infuriating.
"My car? It's a Prius.
I wouldn't say I'm specifically a hero for driving one.
The real heroes are the ones who come back from Afghanistan and Iraq and drive a Prius."
- Brian Griffin.
@Simian60 I was one of the first people in Europe to drive a Prius, in the mid 90s when Toyota let me have a go on one. They were great but that was nearly 30 years ago, weâve moved on.
Fabio Galletti@ottocrat seems an universal problem.
To be honest, Sometimes I did it too: quick rapid charge to park near the bank, back in five minutes.
But I always wonder where the Land Rover Hybrid that is always plugged in on the other public slot may go at night.
Is there recharging every day, 9 to 5.