Kevin Karhan 

@gpuopen Q: When are you going to fix the random crash to black screen issues on #AMD #Radeon #7900XTX?

Cuz it's extremely frustrating for users like @fuchsiii when their #Linux-compatible #GPU is less reliable than the shitty #GMA500!

Espechally since we're talking about a €1k+ GPU and not some shitty Voltari Z11 / SiliconMotion SM750-based VGA card that is being sold for €10 with shipping on Aperzon!

Mar 27, 2023 at 8:47pmWeb
Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 27, 2023
@kkarhan @gpuopen https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2447 or/and https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2027
Random Freezes and Black-screen (#2447) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab

Brief summary of the problem: Hi, Since at least Kernel 6.2.1 I experience random freezes with admgpu as soon as I...

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Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 27, 2023
@fuchsiii @gpuopen exactly that!
#AMD, #plzfix cuz people paid top €€€€ in expectation of your hardware working.
Show threadBastet 魔王様 😈Mar 27, 2023
@kkarhan @fuchsiii @gpuopen
I know their answer. "Works on Windows!" 😒
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 27, 2023
@bastetfurry @fuchsiii @gpuopen that answer is insufficient since it's sold and marketed for #Linux.
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 27, 2023
@bastetfurry @fuchsiii @gpuopen I mean they should not copy the bad things from #nvidia.
Show threadAmelia Bjornsdottir (she, they, he)Mar 27, 2023
@kkarhan @bastetfurry @fuchsiii @gpuopen I wonder what it'd take to build a GPU from scratch
Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 27, 2023
@amelia @gpuopen @bastetfurry @kkarhan ~~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW1EmG7b4DU
I built my own graphics card

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Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@fuchsiii @amelia @gpuopen @bastetfurry

Or you could get yourself some shitty Voltari Z11 GPU for like €9 with shipping...

That should actually allow you to put out more than 800x600p60...
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Show threadAmelia Bjornsdottir (she, they, he)Mar 28, 2023
@kkarhan @fuchsiii @gpuopen @bastetfurry a framebuffer is all well and good but how do we render 3D stuff without killing ourselves on power or the CPU
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@amelia @gpuopen @bastetfurry @fuchsiii That's why I'll claim #AMD will have to #FixTheirShit!

At least prevent their GPU from randomly crashing out and going braindead from one sec to another like someone overdosing on Xanax.

Cuz that's totally inacceptable and worse than it being hard-throttled to lowest speeds.

Show threadBastet 魔王様 😈Mar 28, 2023

@kkarhan @gpuopen
Ok, that's the memo i hadn't gotten here 😅

Frankly, sounds like a typical dead on arrival card to me, especially if @fuchsiii is the only one having that problem.
RMA it. And if the problem persists we can assume a driver bug.

For all the critics one can have on Windows, and i have oh so many, the graphic drivers got pretty robust and can handle a counted/faultish graphics card.
Linux can't that much and falls on its face. At least in my experience.

Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 28, 2023
@bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/2447 that does not look like its only me, but it looks like its only happening on arch linux. lets install fedora later...
Random Freezes and Black-screen (#2447) · Issues · drm / amd · GitLab

Brief summary of the problem: Hi, Since at least Kernel 6.2.1 I experience random freezes with admgpu as soon as I...

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Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 28, 2023
@bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen Or the LTS kernel 🤔
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023
@fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen
 ???
Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 31, 2023
@bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen Latest mesa-git + the LTS kernel seem to be stable, my issue was likley the kernel regression in the ticket above. So far everything seems to work fine. (havend stress testet yet, but no crashes so far)
Show threadKevin Karhan Apr 2, 2023
@fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen also you seem.to be happier with KDE?
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@bastetfurry @gpuopen @fuchsiii well AFAICT it's rather #AMD's shitty driver code and not some hardware defect.

We already verified that.

Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 28, 2023
@kkarhan @bastetfurry @gpuopen at this point they are just mocking me………
Show thread: j@fabrica:~/src;  Mar 28, 2023
@bastetfurry @kkarhan @fuchsiii @gpuopen “Patches gratefully accepted”?
/me hides behind cover
Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 28, 2023
@josephholsten @bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen
Show thread: j@fabrica:~/src;  Mar 28, 2023
@fuchsiii @bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen seriously, I’ve tried to start learning my way through amdgpu and this is the correct response.
Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 28, 2023
@josephholsten @bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen can imagine
Show thread: j@fabrica:~/src;  Mar 28, 2023
@fuchsiii @bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen still, the fact we’ve got BSD & Illumos support is wonderful. Somehow I don’t think AMD sponsored the work though.
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@josephholsten @fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen IMHO they SHOULD.

At least in tue way #Valve does #TF2 by paying some freelancer to write stuff that gets accepted in mainline kernel and not get rejected by the maintainers for being shit quality and/or weird code.

Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@josephholsten @fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen I'd accept that if it was some old.abandonware by a defunct company (i.e. #Linux drivers for #3dfx cards) but not for a product that is beibg advertised to support #Linux and even if it wasn't costs 4 digits MSRP.

We ain't in 2007 anymore where everything but #Intel didn't work and #nvidia was like "here, take this binaryblob!" and #ATi was like "go fuck yourself!" when it comes to #GPU drivers.

Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@josephholsten @fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen having a #GPU randomly go #braindead until reset is not only inacceptable, but inexcuseable!

Shit like this doesn't happen with any other card amd I'm used to #jank like #ExpressCard-based USB 3.0 controllers!

Show thread: j@fabrica:~/src;  Mar 28, 2023
@kkarhan @fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen Exactly. Seems deserving of an RMA.
Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023

@josephholsten @fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen no.

Deserves a "fix it or give me my money back and reimburse me for the cost of migrating to another manufacturer" kinda lawsuit.

But that's not legal advice, but me.being used to flex on suppliers if need be.

Show threadBastet 魔王様 😈Mar 27, 2023

@fuchsiii @kkarhan @gpuopen
I had problems with the AMD iGPU inside my Steam Deck with vanilla Arch, random crashes and whatnot.
In the end simply compiling newest MESA and using that solved it.

Here is an still open issue and maybe your problem is similar:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/6140

Worth a try.

radeonsi: VRAM Leak/abnormally high usage in Minecraft mod pack (#6140) · Issues · Mesa / mesa · GitLab

System information OS: Lubuntu 21.10 and Lubuntu 21.04 GPU: Pitcairn XT [Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition] and AMD...

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Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 27, 2023

@bastetfurry @gpuopen seems like a different issue.

Apparently the GPU just.randomly resets itself and goes temporarily braindead until rebooted.

And I kinda have to agree with @fuchsiii that this should not be an issue espechally since neither #Vega64 nor #RX5700 had this problem at launch.

Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 27, 2023

@bastetfurry @gpuopen @fuchsiii

The only workaround I can think of would be to instal #OpenSSH server and then remotely restart the entire graphics stack, which is not a fix as it still means all #GUI applications got killed!

Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 27, 2023

@bastetfurry @gpuopen @fuchsiii And yes pressing CTRL+ALT+F9 to switch to an unused terminal session doesn't work.

And the worst part is that this isse can destroy #AMD / #Radeon #GPUs since no powersaving or thermal managment of the VGA-BIOS is being loaded.

So the machine can eandomly wake up from S3 or S5 and sound like a fucking fighter jet and still be braindead.

Show threadFuchsiii~~~Mar 27, 2023

@bastetfurry @kkarhan @gpuopen already running mesa 23.1.0 git, compiled 1 or 2 weeks ago :/

windows 11 btw works fine except for some rare graphics glitches, but no crashes

Show threadKevin Karhan Mar 28, 2023
@fuchsiii @bastetfurry @gpuopen so it's up to #AMD to get their shit together and do proper drivers...