Cabel SasserA short story. We once submitted Untitled Goose Game to the Mac App Store. It was rejected by the reviewer because they thought you couldn’t skip the credits. (?!?) We explained that you could skip the credits by holding space. It was then rejected for something else and at that point we just gave up and never bothered to resubmit. Fin
Stefan@cabel "Please title your game"
Miss Hap
David Senate@cabel so it won’t be ever an iOS version 😞
Erik HoltenI'm not up to date in these matters, but don't believe those amount to the same thing. @cabel
kitten/bridgett/rosalina 
@cabel what the hell???
Óscar Morales Vivó@cabel Somehow, Apple created the HOA of software.
Jack
Ernie Smith@cabel This is a microcosm as to why Mac gaming is so terrible compared to Windows TBH
Anil Dash
Kévin ⏚
Joseph A. Nagy, Jr.
the hatter
tipjip
noodle
James Cook
Tom Flynn@tommoose @RyeNCode
Found it (The EV and EVO TCs for EVN)
https://andrews05.github.io/evstuff/
And a new TC circa 2023
https://aus.social/@noodle/115016566864533881
There's also this, free in most Linux repos
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_Sky
CauseOfBSOD@ernie @cabel IDK, I've never gamed on a mac, but as a #Linux user i have few problems (basically everything from steam runs fine, except for a select few titles that have anticheat bullshit that isn't configured to work for Linux, and launchers like #Lutris and #heroicgameslauncher make other games platforms somewhat workable) that would be solved by switching to M$ Windblows, and honestly I'm not touching that glorified spyware.
Why would the MacOS experience be too different?
@CauseOfBSOD @cabel Because Apple stopped supporting all the APIs developers use. And because Apple has chosen not to support mainstream GPUs, particularly Nvidia, and particularly on Apple Silicon.
And also because they give people who have been working in their ecosystem for decades, like Cabel, a hard time.
@CauseOfBSOD @cabel Don’t get me wrong. I own a Steam Deck. I think Linux gaming is great. I also think though that there’s a reason a lot of gamers flock to Windows even if they don’t use it for anything else.
Ken@cabel omg what monsters 👹
Makes one wonder how many similar stories are out there… 😔
Aaron 
@cabel @drahardja I swear, the current App Review system is beyond broken.
It worked great when the App Store was 1-3 years old but it cannot sustain itself given the deluge of apps being submitted. There is no good way in the current system to distinguish between good apps, scammers, copycats, and nonsense.
I really wish the entire App Review process was torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
PS: My partner and I LOVED Untitled Goose Game. Even now, we'll still randomly HONK at each other. 🤣
Cassandrich@Aaron @cabel @drahardja A variant on the theme of garbage tech companies designing things that obviously need moderation/curation and not being willing to pay people to do that (despite taking a cut so large they could afford a spectacular team to do it).
Nate Vack 🍴@Aaron @cabel @drahardja There’s no foolproof way of distinguishing good stuff from crap, but “this is a well-known indie game already available on several other platforms” should probably trigger the “let’s make sure it’s not a third-party ripping off the real publisher and then release it” reflex
It’s… not like Apple is unaware of the existence of Panic in general
Derek Lieu
pgcd@cabel <"House House" is not a proper company name>
TunafishTiger@cabel This is gothic horror.
Gik 
| 💙➡️🇺🇦@cabel Apple working on their Suntitled Moose Game confirmed.
Craig Hockenberry@cabel But the GPU performance is breathtaking.
donkey@chockenberry @cabel Goose Processing Unit?
Christina Warren@chockenberry @cabel lol. Beautiful but with nothing to do but video! It’s so sad! So much potential just sitting there. No games anyone wants to play and no ML frameworks that don’t have to be rewritten specifically for it (CoreML does not count and does not matter). For YEARS I’ve been talking about how the Apple/Nvidia war was a huge problem b/c of CUDA’s dominance in AI/ML and had tons of people telling me I was wrong and an idiot. Spoiler: I wasn’t and I’m not.
Caspar Fairhall
FogmeisterWait… so they played all the way through to the credits before rejecting it?!?!? Wat?!
Fabio Bracht@Fogmeister @cabel @cocoaphony When a developer submits an app for review, they are required to provide easy access (almost like “cheats”) to certain features the reviewer is required to look at.
Fun fact: age ratings for movies work similarly. They don’t watch the entire movie. They require the studio to answer a few questions — is there red blood and gore? how many swear words? etc. — and to submit the timestamp for the most problematic scene(s). The review is based on that. If the studio lies/hides a problematic scene, there are repercussions.
At least I heard this is how it works.
@bracht ah interesting. I’ve made many apps but never games or that sort of content so it kind of makes sense. 👍🏻
bubbly ✅@cabel we love censorship 🥰🥰🥰
Rawwwb@cabel The Mac App Store rejected one of my games because the reviewer noticed that certain inputs "don't work". They do work, though, just not until the end of the 30-second tutorial that runs the first time someone opens the game. ~_~
geo_bot@cabel how annoyed could you be about a goose causing mischief, of they want to be obnoxious about ui technicalities they can go away
Casper 👻@cabel
doesn’t want games unless it’s the mostly cheesy type on Arcade.
doesn’t want games unless it’s the mostly cheesy type on Arcade.
DigitalStefan@caspercdn @cabel add in-game purchases and it will pass review.
Buy 10 credits gets you 50 honks!
Glyph@cabel Really hopeful that regulators will start smacking down Apple and forcing them to allow e.g. Epic and Valve onto iOS so there's a backstop for inanities like this on more platforms than the mac.
I loved Untitled Goose Game and I'm glad I got it through Valve and not Apple since I played it with my kid half on a Mac and half on a Steam Deck.
Adrian Nier@cabel It should be in Apple’s own best interest to give long-standing, award-winning, developers special entitlements and experienced reviewers to bring quality titles to the Mac App Store.
Would we have these issues if Eddy Cue grew up with Audion or Phil Schiller actually read every article by @gruber escalated to him?
Mieszko Ślusarczyk@cabel They lost a lot of their 30%
Martin Du4@cabel Excellent histoire. Is that why you no longer go the Mac AppStore route?
Jari Lehtinen@cabel Sooooo when is Untitled Goose Game 2 coming out? ☺️
deeje@cabel always wanted to try that game <sigh/>
Davey Craney@cabel This is why I find all the
“no no no… Apple is serious about gaming THIS TIME”
stories about Arcade, and now their upcoming VR headset so hilarious. They just don’t care enough about games to make a compelling platform.
Netflix is *killing* arcade with the calibre of the titles on iOS. And it’s only a value add to their streaming!
Jack Wellborn@cabel I sometimes think about how the first Genius Bars worked because they were filled with people enthusiastic about Apple and the Mac, and how crazy it is that neither the App Store or Feedback seem to similarly leverage the Apple community.
Conor@cabel short story please add it to Mac App Store.