@CassandraZeroCovid #MastodonCloud behaved very poorly here. That was my instance at the time (@dredmorbius, now forwarded here), and the WilW episode was astrong factor in my decision to ultimately move elsewhere.

#TootCat is run by someone I've known for a decade or so online via Google+ and elsewhere, and whose social and epistemic awareness is extraordinary, @woozle.

@taylorlorenz

Edit: tyoped URL.

The @wilw incident is something we need to understand better, because it shouldn't have gone down the way it did.

Here's what I understand, from vague memories and what others have said to me:

(1.) There was one legit reason to be upset with WW that I'm aware of, but it was something fixable.
(2.) Attempts to have a conversation around fixing it didn't go well.
(3.) Rather than trying out ideas to de-escalate the situation, the mods at mastodon.cloud threw in the towel pretty quickly (or so it seemed from my perspective).

It seems likely that individuals and communities who prefer conflict over peaceful existence saw #1 as an opportunity to sow dissent, and exacerbated the problem at every opportunity. We ended up with a situation where if you defended WW, you were perceived as defending the [questionable thing he apparently did which is what #1 was about], and if you advocated for addressing the issue, you were seen as attacking WW.

I don't know for certain that I could have handled this better than they did -- and for that matter, I don't really know the full extent of what they tried; I haven't talked with any of the mods involved -- but "60 reports a day" doesn't seem like "OMG JUST TURN IT OFF" territory to me.

That said, I've been trying for years to get certain software written which would help with this kind of situation, and I'd feel much better equipped to handle anything similar if that software were available even in rudimentary form.

...and as fedi becomes more mainstream and the Eye of Sauron increasingly notices our existence, we will need to be better prepared for things like this.

@dredmorbius
@CassandraZeroCovid @taylorlorenz

@woozle @dredmorbius
...What software have you been trying to get written? :0

@Angle

Oh, you know -- just the same old debate mapper thing I've been whinging about since forever.

I feel like I've been moving backwards, code-wise. @eryn advises me to be more patient with myself, because the reworking I've been doing will make the end product better, but sometimes I think I should have focused more on getting something demoable Out There.

(The main hold-up is that my coding/focus time is mostly broken up into small and often unpredictable chunks, and this plays merry hecc with my motivation & ability to concentrate.)

@dredmorbius

Debate mapper - InstaGov

@woozle @eryn @dredmorbius Ah, gotcha! I've been thinking about taking another crack at Agora, except just as a mastodon fork this time maybe. Kind've have other things to do though, but, you know how it is. XD