Sheril Kirshenbaum

A lot of folks seem to believe it’s too late to address #climate change or that doing so will hurt the economy.

They’ve been duped by individuals & corporations with influence.

In reality, climate action will benefit our health, safety, security & economy.

Be suspicious of those who say otherwise.

Dec 16, 2022 at 10:17pmMetatext
Show threadBouriquetDec 16, 2022
@Sheril Now more than ever.
We found a way to successfully reduce the ozone hole.
This is possible but there must be a mindset change, starting with governments as well as energy producers
Show threadEllis BerryDec 16, 2022

@Sheril I don't think these are contradictory statements.

You can minimize your #carbonemissions as much as humanly possible and still believe we're going to crash the #climate with no survivors.

Show threadLeoDec 16, 2022
@Sheril effective global and sustainable colaboración in this matter is not realistic (just look at COVID as a simpler and case example). It is ok to insist but don’t forget to be prepared and adapt.
Show threadHolz2735Dec 16, 2022
@Sheril
If it's too late to address it then we better be scrambling ass to find ways to survive in a changed world.
Show threadianzDec 16, 2022
@Sheril They mean changing these things might interfere with their short-term billions profits. They just have to word it differently to sound like they have a bigger perspective, and because it make them sound bad to say that out loud.
Show threadJJ PetersonDec 16, 2022
@Sheril A lot of folks are 100% ignoring the unprecedented and historic investments in climate change being made by the Biden administration.
Show threadGreg LeunigDec 17, 2022
@JJPeterson @Sheril given the historical precedent, this description is a very low bar. When he starts acting like this is an existential crisis, then I'll be impressed.
Show threadJJ PetersonDec 17, 2022
@booksthatgoboom @Sheril no you won’t, or you already would be. You’ll never acknowledge Biden is the progressive so many thought Bernie the scammer was. idc. He’s doing it, your knowledge of what’s happening is immaterial.
Show threadLeroy Sibole *Dec 16, 2022
@Sheril If fusion power becomes a reality in the future, there could be dramatic environmental benefits and also extreme geopolitical consequences. Those whose empires are built on oil are going to be angling frantically for another source of wealth. Pessimism says humans are going to fuck this all up.
Show threadRob HudsonDec 16, 2022
@Sheril think you may have been misinformed.
Show threadJack of all tradesDec 16, 2022

@Sheril The economy needs to get hurt, that's the whole point!

It needs to bleed out financialization, overconsumption of meat, millions of cars, single use plastics and much more. It's no coincidence the most pessimistic climate scenario is called "business as usual".

Show threadColm DuffyDec 17, 2022

@Sheril when I was an undergrad, and the mention of climate change made a lot of eyes roll, I thought to myself, people need to see first hand as it was "in the future and far away". The impacts of #climate are now right here, right now, and I am left wondering why the hell we are still tinkering around the edges, and why the hell is everyone not terrified at what is literally around the corner?

We can't take action to stop #climatechange because it will hurt the thing causing climate change 🤷‍♂️

Show threadGert V 🇵🇸Dec 17, 2022
@Sheril
What is being done for the climate is all #tooLittleTooLate. I kid you not.
Show threadZubairDec 17, 2022

@Sheril My son (10 y.o) and I are fascinated by nuclear fusion and following is progress for a while. They just made a major breakthrough, in that they generated more energy than was put in. Eventually, this could revolutionise our power generation and reduce CO2 by ??%.

Even with this breakthrough, we should still be looking at ways to tackle climate change with the tools we currently have, just in case it does not work out.

Show threadFranck LeroyDec 17, 2022
@zubair @Sheril no it's not a solution. There's is still decades of research before a working prototype is made. It's far too late to tackle climate change. We need to abandon the crazy idea of infinite growth and work hard on decarbonizing the economy and slowing it down.
Show threadZubairDec 18, 2022
@FranckLeroy
I know it's not a solution that we can count on for the near future and it has a long way to go, but the possibilities in the future are fascinating when considering the application. I was referring to that aspect.
@Sheril
Show threadHeather Dec 17, 2022
@Sheril what economy if we've destroyed every viable resource and we can't recover from relentless natural disasters? There will be no economy.
Show threadMario Hauff Dec 17, 2022
@Sheril take the ukrainian attitude: fight til the last minute. Never ever give up.
Show threadTroetifantDec 17, 2022
@Sheril
Intellect stronger than instinct !
Humans are the most intellectually developed species on this planet and presents so sovereign resilience against the obvious causes of avoidable catastrophes that the biggest problem of the earth, namely the existence of humans, can be considered as solved soon.
Show threadAlanOutbackDec 17, 2022

@Sheril
I go well past being suspicious of them. I have met way too many of them before.

The bizarre thing is that unless they are rabid deniers of the climate science, since it is well known and established that failing to reduce GHG emissions is much more expensive than reducing them.
That has been known reliably and robustly for ages.

So if they were really concerned about the economy and living in the real world, not some fantasy world. Then they'd want to reduce emissions,
even at substantial cost, (and its not)
but even if it was then the reduction in damage costs from the emissions avoided far outweighs the cost and is thus better for the economy.

Anyone who legitimately wants to claim otherwise rather than just meme about it has to go back and refute all those multiple independent lines of evidence.

and that's just nah. Not even the old timer sciency deniers do that, or ever did. They always did, and always have relied on selective interpretation of carefully curated data and rhetoric.

Show threadKlaus PankatzDec 17, 2022
@Sheril I believe there are also signs that point to a change in economics which might include using less energy, resources etc. This should go hand in hand with solving the climate issues.
Show threadPointlessSpikeDec 17, 2022
@Sheril It's not too late, but it's going to take a lot of extremely committed people taking radical action against the most powerful in society.
Show threadNoam BergmanDec 17, 2022

@Sheril I'm fascinated by the post and the various responses.

Mind if I do an ethnographic study? 🤔

Show threadAdam Trickett  Dec 17, 2022

@Sheril Another dubious idea is the "Carbon Footprint", invented by spin doctors for BP. By making it personal, it deflects people from pressing for governmental and inter-governmental action.

Like tobacco before it's all a very careful and well funded programme to prevent the change we know that needs to happen from happening ...!

Show threadRobert M. KellyDec 17, 2022
@Sheril Yes and no. Measures to correct climate change will hurt the economy. The question is, is the cure better than the disease? It is. But the claim needs to be argued.
Show threadPJT NorthDec 17, 2022
@Sheril Justifiably, I can say that climate change mitigation solutions can be executed globally with minimal risk. The solutions do exist. The fundamental choice is how those solutions will be funded. Whether using tax funding or investment capital and who then owns “it”. It is a small set of planetary scale solutions. Beyond that it will employ millions perennially and globally to their own individual benefit. Global society will then be more equitable. They who dare win.
Show threadJessaDec 17, 2022

@Sheril this also, unfortunately, includes unions like the United Steelworkers. This, despite the fact their workers are already suffering under these conditions.

Interviewed Torrance Coste of Wilderness Committee on this:

https://player.captivate.fm/episode/0baeba70-056c-4b11-bf81-0c532b33f5fe

Climate Justice: Knowing Friend from Foe

Quickly and easily listen to Blueprints of Disruption for free!

Blueprints of Disruption
Show threadDr Susi ArnottDec 17, 2022
@Sheril Human economies are wholly-owned subsidiaries of ecosystems. What is it about the economic costs of climate breakdown they don't get?
Show threadGaryODec 17, 2022
@Sheril Exactly. It is never "too late": all positive action helps reduce future harm. Yes, there are tipping points, some of which we are past, but that doesn't mean we can't/shouldn't work hard to avoid crossing the next ones. 1.5° is bad, 2.0° is worse, and 2.5° is even worse.
Show threadNightCatArtsDec 17, 2022
@Sheril I don't know that being suspicious goes quite far enough. I find it better to treat them as anything that tells you to hurry because something is ending soon; it's like trigger terminology for scam, or at least shit deal.
Show threadkiwiapple87Dec 17, 2022
@Sheril Are there any greenhouse gas capture technologies out there or in development that could help us stabilize well the world transitions to renewables?
Show threadBigDDec 17, 2022
@Sheril if we referred to climate change as Climate Changed, possibly that would help. The past tense meaning it has changed already so how we going to live with it. How do we relocate. How do we produce food. How do we live with less.
Sorry to sound hopeless for any social or political intervention, so we rethink how to live with the consequences.
Show threadMikey Brenndorfer XVXDec 17, 2022
@Sheril meanwhile climate inaction is the greatest risk to human health we've ever faced
Show thread🌟 S̲T̲A̲R̲G̲U̲Y̲ (Jerry)Dec 17, 2022
@Sheril there are some of us conservative leaning people that also believe in protecting our planet for future generations. At the heart of that stance is probably the biggest sustainable business practice. Unfortunately colleges have been turning out CEOs that just want instant greed.
Show threadUnaDec 18, 2022
@Sheril
I feel much better, when we call it the climate crisis, because that's what it is...
Show threadDavid MartinezDec 18, 2022
@Sheril If it did "hurt" the economy, then it's time we question our economy.
Show threadNunoDec 18, 2022
@Sheril it will hurt the economy, or at least the status quo of it. But maybe is also an opportunity to review how the economy should work for the people and in respect to the environment. Because if no nature no economy as well. Loss loss for me
Show threadSouthern LeftistDec 21, 2022
@Sheril Yes! Enough of these "climate change deniers" plaguing our thoughts!