The collapse of Twitter is a system breakdown. Mastodon and the fediverse represent something different: _system change_. From for-profit "Big Tech" to nonprofit, open source, community-owned public spaces.

System change is always harder than you think. It always incurs short-term costs, with hoped for long-term benefits.

The next few weeks will be really tough for the fediverse. Stick around, vibe with it, and you just might help us put a huge part of the web back in community hands. <3

Expect some of the following to happen in the coming weeks:

- celebrities with huge follower counts pushing tiny community-run servers to their knees

- instance admin burnout; shutting down of servers

- big new servers that don't "vibe" with common rules or culture being widely defederated

- some notable account violating an instance code of conduct and throwing a fit

- lots of people ragequitting Mastodon for one reason or another

- etc.

It'll be a rough ride. Patience and strength, all.

@eloquence

I saw all that just today! ๐Ÿ˜‚

@eloquence Do you think a lot of celebrities are affected by what's going on up to the point they would decide to go to mastodon? And what about their followers? Are those people who care at all about the situation at Twitter?

@zoran

The US is incredibly politically polarized right now, and Musk has aligned himself very visibly with the authoritarian right-wing (to the extent of posting a homophobic Hillary Clinton conspiracy theory).

That's the sort of thing that pushes people over the edge. He seems to be using every day as another opportunity to piss off millions of users of the platform he bought, positioning it increasingly more as a "Fox News of social media".

@eloquence Oh, ok. Wow. Sorry for mumbling, I'm flabbergasted. I try to follow what's going on, but didn't realize he openly aligned with the authoritarian right. You're at the source and the news takes a bit of time to trickle down to Europe? Well, in hindsight it doesn't surprise me. I presume it's the gradual change that's so dangerous: you don't realize where the captain is heading until the bow points in that direction.
@zoran @eloquence It's much more than a gradual change: instant split second decisions that destroy social connections of millions of people. Biggest cause of stress for many is the loss of connections to those they care about. Also, lack of proper discovery methods makes it even more difficult, as most don't know about 3rd party search tools (and those don't find most people).
@autiomaa @eloquence I presume it's difficult to realize the extent of the underlying damage that is done by split second decisions. Elon reminds me of a person who jumps first and then tries to grow wings on the way down.
@zoran @eloquence That is why companies that evaluate potential CEOs often also have psychological tests for CEO candidates. But it wouldn't have helped in this situation because he's only responsible for himself (and the few countries that bankrolled the hostile takeover).

@zoran @autiomaa @eloquence Musk is no idiot. What he does makes no sense when you assume it's about running a business or maintaining a community.

It makes *a lot* of sense when Musk has political ambitions. His erratic and nonsensical actions then is "vice signaling" to advertise him as authoritarian leader. And it works - the right wing is totally in love with him right now.

@kryphos @zoran @eloquence There have been predictions that he might be running for a governor on some smaller state. Wouldn't surprise much.
@autiomaa @kryphos @zoran @eloquence
Thank goodness he can't run for the presidency there.

@shanti @autiomaa @zoran @eloquence

a) Nobody knows. Words on paper have no power, it will depend on what happens when he announces to do so.

b) he doesn't have to, as long as presidency in the US and elsewhere depend on his approval, on what direction he sends his 400 Million to.

@autiomaa @zoran @kryphos @eloquence Umโ€ฆ no Iโ€™m pretty confident he is an idiot.
@kryphos @autiomaa @eloquence Interesting take on the subject. Time will tell probably. I'm still split between an idiot and somebody with an agenda.
@zoran @autiomaa @eloquence
It doesn't help and possibly hurts that he's on the autism disorder spectrum... keyword disorder...
https://psychcentral.com/autism/elon-musk-opened-up-about-autism-heres-what-we-learned#who-is-elon-musk
@Space6host @zoran @autiomaa @eloquence He is not on the spectrum. That's his recent excuse for his awful behavior, don't fall for his con.
@Space6host @zoran @autiomaa @eloquence
You would probably benefit from doing some wider reading on autism, or actually talking with autistic people. Many of us prefer not to have our neurotype referred to as a disorder.
@Space6host @zoran @autiomaa @eloquence
OK, I'm only 7 days too late. As you were ๐Ÿ˜†
@zoran
He did that ages ago. "We will coup whoever we want!", anyone?
@eloquence
@eloquence @zoran he's also sacked most of the infrastructure team which is like if you decided to do F1 but cut it down to one shared pit crew between every team in the name of cost savings.
@Homebrewandhacking @eloquence The pic is superb. Exactly what's happening.
@zoran @eloquence Xkcd.com modified by sources unknown to me. I can take no credit for it but it's a powerful visual metaphor.
@eloquence @zoran the homophobic conspiracy theory was about the violent attack on the husband of the Speaker of the House. It was in response to a Hillary Clinton statement on the events. Asan Afrikaner, Musk had always white supremacist leanings. The hood is off now. Heโ€™s banning comedians.
@eloquence @zoran twitter will turn into a platform for right wing propaganda and populism.
@nero @eloquence @zoran And at that point, advertisers will flee wholesale and it may end up being just another Gab or Parler or Truth Social or Gittr clone with about as much reach.
@nero @eloquence @zoran
Not our circus, not our canary (anymore)
@eloquence @zoran
It's like he wants to duke it out with Gab ๐Ÿ˜†
@zoran @eloquence Anecdata - my partner has a few celebrities he follows on Twitter that are a big part of why he enjoys it. If one of them left there and came here, esp Jason Isbel, he would definitely create an account just to continue to follow him, and check it daily. Esp as I could help him get set up here without him having to read all the how-to articles I read, lol. ๐Ÿ˜„

@zoran @eloquence
Your question picks one metric of success; let's look at another.

When I joined Twitter in 2008 it felt like a gathering place for friends and family. A few people I already knew, and many I could easily talk to. Many things grew out of that dynamic: ideas, relationships, events, business connections, learning.

In 2022 Mastodon offers something more like that. We can see limitations because it's not all that Twitter has become, but it *is* something valuable.

@zoran @eloquence

So, two observations:

1. If you're looking for something more "social" from your social networking, and you happen to have some friends who have already come here, it doesn't matter whether they're celebrities or not. There may be reason to spend more time here regardless. Mastodon doens't have to vanquish Twitter to flourish in that way. It's less important to a federated system than a corporate-driven one that it tend toward monopoly.

@zoran

2. It's not impossible that Mastodon *could* supercede Twitter. The dynamics @eloquence describes could drive some "big names" here in the short term; but in the long term, it will be individuals migrating here for organic reasons that will attract more celebs. Celebs, politicians, businesses will tend to go where the crowds are.

@zoran @eloquence

I think the loss of Advertisers on Twitter will ultimately make a bigger difference. Musk may want to turn it into another Fox News, but his advertising base and global political ostracization will affect his pocket book sooner and more deeply than celebrities leaving en mass.

@eloquence I guess if huge follower bases move to Mastodon, they'll probably go to the mainstream server like mastodon.social? Aren't those servers trying to prepare for the tsunami? Just thinking out loud...
@eloquence Funny thing is: I donโ€˜t even care. Iโ€˜m happy I found my little niche here and I will make it as comfortable for me ad possible and try to find like-minded people here. Donโ€˜t care if the fediverse is the next big thing. I like it already as it is.

@martinpallmann @eloquence funny enough, it could be an "eternal september" event, so a growth in user numbers may not feel great for all the current users.

Personally I welcome it, however I understand if not everyone will feel the same.

@eloquence with celebrities I would contact their management, explain Mastodon make them set up their own servers?
@SebastienK @eloquence Yes, that's a good idea. One German TV celeb used his production company to set up their own community server - just look at the stats: https://the-federation.info/node/det.social
@SebastienK @eloquence - if a celebrity set up his/her own server, they could establish and stringently enforce their own rules. It could also be a guard against celeb impersonation. Sounds much safer for them than Twitter.
@SebastienK @eloquence
That would be the ideal, yeah. It's probably the best way to let them "verify and protect their identity", *and* it prevents people from flooding a specific instance that one of them is on. It also implicitly promotes the idea of federation.
@Kichae yup, it feels like a no brainer. A win win for fediverse and the artist as they get to set their own rules. @eloquence
@eloquence as long as the trolls stay outside
I already saw the first one quit. "Nothing's happening here", he complained.

He's posted 6 messages in 8 days...

@hans live and learn... might become an issue for the celebs as well which imo may not be a bad thing. The fact that a celeb may not get a million favs/boosts by randomly posting a random word or two might turn out to be a personal growth experience for some of them.

Also, seems that being here only for a bit over a week has made me even more critical towards Twitter and its reactionary culture.

@hans no great loss to us ๐Ÿ˜
@eloquence Yes :( I'm seeing this all over. Some people just want their data to be used and abused so long as it's free. Likes so long as they are free. Dunno, it's a bit sad. But it is a good experiment maybe, and at some point it can happen again. I am happy, I'll stay :) I appreciate the chance of being here. I would like to know more about the server and the people in it.
@eloquence ooo, good point actually... I might get my vaguely famous vaguely friends to add to their I've started a mastodon account blurb, a "you don't need to be on the same instance to follow me and see my posts"
@eloquence thanks for flagging all that ๐Ÿฅ
@eloquence Especially strength to the mods.

@eloquence Yep, the big rush hasn't happened yet. If you know it's coming people could be preparing services to help those bigger folks migrate over without breaking things.

Offer management and get celebs on their own instance (basically verification) and then could also offer accounts to their cohort fans.

Also, an opportunity to set up some initial network-based instances and promote them over core instances.

@tanepiper @eloquence yeah, that's probably how verification will work here in practice. Maybe also some kind of certificate stuff like with https, but I'm not sure who will manage it.
@eloquence Interesting view, quite possible. Thereโ€™s a historical precedent to the current influx of #Mastodon users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September