Mastodawn

https://axbom.com/fediverse/

I have version 1.1 of "The many branches of the Fediverse" ready for you. 😄

Thank you to everyone who pitched in with suggestions of improvement (all visible in the thread).

You can download PNG and PDF versions on my blog post, which also has a bit more info and links to the applications.

Download for free and use as you please. Preferably to spread the word about the benefits of federated publishing and local instances. 😊

#FediTips

The many branches of the Fediverse

Axbom • My Next Heartbeat

Erik Kemp 🇪🇺Nov 3, 2022

@axbom Great! Is the Drupal plugin interesting to add? https://www.drupal.org/project/activitypub

ActivityPub

Implements the ActivityPub protocol for your site. Readers will be able to follow content from your site on Mastodon and other federated platforms that support ActivityPub.

Drupal.org

@erikkemp Thanks. Will collect all these in a list for the next version.

I was big on Drupal many years ago. Amazed at how many projects I'm rediscovering.

HongPong Nov 4, 2022

@axbom @erikkemp the "indieweb" #drupal module is very versatile. i helped out a very tiny bit on something related #indieweb
https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb

IndieWeb

Integrates the philosophy of IndieWeb in your Drupal website. For more information, see https://indieweb.org/.

Drupal.org

Erik Kemp 🇪🇺Nov 3, 2022

@axbom I usually also point people to Wikipedia which has a nice list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse?wprov=sfla1

Another extensive list: https://delightful.club/delightful-activitypub-development/

Fediverse - Wikipedia

@erikkemp Yeah, I link to the Wikipedia page from the post. My intent is not to have the tree be complete in its coverage, but complete enough to have interesting conversations around it, and use it as a tool for explanation.

Per Axbom Nov 6, 2022

@erikkemp Someone added my diagram to that Wikipedia page! 😊

Veronika Cheplygina Nov 6, 2022

@axbom This is awesome! Thank you for all the helpful content so far :)

Erik Kemp 🇪🇺Nov 6, 2022

@axbom Lovely! :) I enjoyed reading your thread with @rysiek about licensing too. Thanks again for spending time on designing your wonderful graphic! It makes it easier for us to explain to people that they may think they are just switching from one platform to another, but that they are actually taking a peek into a very different noncommercial ecosystem of interoperable open source platforms designed for wellbeing and connectedness instead of profit :)

Oblomov Nov 6, 2022

@axbom @erikkemp
So, no chance of it becoming an imagemap, or an SVG with hyperlinks to the various platforms? ;-)

Per Axbom Nov 6, 2022

@oblomov

Maybe in some future. I spent soooo many hours on this diagram this past week. 😅

But I guess you could achieve this with the PDF.

@erikkemp

Sebastian Hagens Nov 6, 2022

@erikkemp @axbom Im digging into that as a Drupal developer 😃🤓

Sebastian Hagens Nov 6, 2022

@erikkemp @axbom Worth to check out https://drupalcamp.be/en/drupal-dev-days-2022/session/fediverse-activitypub-and-drupal

Fediverse, ActivityPub... and Drupal | Drupal Dev Days 4-8 april 2022

@axbom wonderful! Thank you for your work on this.

However... would you be open to a conversation about the license?

I've done some copyright trainings in the past, and based on my and others' experience I believe that -NC is problematic. And that for most people and works, -SA would be more effective in achieving what they are often trying to achieve through -NC.

@rysiek definitely open to that conversation! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Honestly I was probably a bit too quick when typing that license on the image. I usually have SA I realised!

But I also usually have NC in combination with this. You would suggest not having NC at all? My though when adding this for my blogs is to avoid people making books to sell with my content.

@axbom right. Thank you for being open to this. Also, I want to very clearly recognize this is of course your art and your decision, and I have no business telling you how to license things! I hope that's obvious, but I feel it needs to be said.

The problem with NC is that it is vague and undefined. For example: can Wikipedia use an NC-licensed work? Wikipedia is supported by donations, and one *could* argue their use is therefore "commercial" in some sense. So Wikipedia avoids NC.

@axbom but can I use your NC work on my blog? I blog for fun, and have no money in the game, so this sounds safe. But I also use my blog to promote myself, and sometimes I might get hired to do something based on the contents of it. Is that "commercial"? I don't know.

Imagine an NGO that got grant money to promote the Fediverse. Can they use your fantastic work (with attribution, of course!)? NC does not make it clear, and if I were running that project, I would probably decide not to risk it.

@rysiek Valid points. My take was always that it's about the artefact itself. So okay to showcase in commercial settings but not to sell on its own as the reason for charging money. But I see where it can make people hesitate. I'll have a think about it.

@axbom right. So that's the biggest downside for me. NC makes the work risky to use, and thus it will not be used by projects and in contexts that you might presumably want the work to be used in.

SA solves this better in some ways. For example, no Big Corp would ever take an SA-licensed work and use it in an ad campaign or a product, film, etc, because they would have to release the whole thing under SA. Not gonna happen.

I totally get your "I don't want people to make books with my content"…

@axbom …but the way I see it (and I do have an SA-licensed blog), if somebody finds a way to monetize my SA-licensed content before I do, good on them!

And there is a reasonable chance they will pay me anyway, so that I produce more of new juicy content for them to publish.

That's obviously a very personal take, but I think it's worth considering.

@rysiek @axbom

The owner of a work can dual-licensed their original work; or give a separate license for another entity or individual; as long as the license of the original work is retained.

Say a school wants to get a license to include the Fediverse Tree in their text-book, they can close a deal. The original NC licensed work is retained; and only this school, granted with a separate license, can print it for commercial purposes.

@youronlyone yes, as has already been noted elsewhere in this thread, CC licenses are non-exclusive.

But that's *still* plenty friction and potential risk for whoever wants to use the work.

Instead of just using the work to teach the kids, the teacher must now *first* reach out to the author and receive a specific license. They also must *know* this is an option. They also must know how to do get in touch with the author. They also must wait for the response (unclear how long).

@axbom

@rysiek @axbom Correct. But that's how #Copyright works. We really have to know these things (which, unfortunately, is not taught in schools); and have to wait.

The best re-users can do is to ask for permission/license (if the license isn't clear). As long as Copyright laws exist, it is unavoidable. It's not ideal.

@youronlyone
> But that's how #Copyright works. We really have to know these things (which, unfortunately, is not taught in schools); and have to wait.

My whole point is that in a lot of cases, demanding this kind of knowledge and patience of people who might want to use one's work (say, by using -NC) is unreasonable, and actually goes *against* what the author actually wants to achieve with that license.

And that -SA largely avoids that.

@axbom

@rysiek @axbom Ahh, I think that's where we differ in how we see it.

Whenever I use NC and/or ND, as the creator, my intention was to protect my work.

If my intention is to have it distributed and re-used as wide as possible, then I use SA or PD.

For example, in my country, Copyright infringement is sadly a thing, even in the corporate world. I prefer to protect some of my work first before I worry about how many would reuse it.

Ironically, for SA/PD works, those are the ones I get requests.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦Nov 2, 2022

@axbom amazing!

Jakub Nov 2, 2022

@rysiek @axbom
Great!

anubis2814 Nov 2, 2022

@axbom youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzg… Here's a better understanding of the greater fediverse with 3 2-minute videos. You may not be a newby but this is a good explainer for newby's. I personally prefer friendica because I can interact with all the fediverse including diaspora where the G+ refugees went to, as well as the fact that I can filter twitter through it and purge out all the garbage.

Bevor Sie zu YouTube weitergehen

https://friendica.myportal.social/display/e65e1095-2763-6266-2c83-013474224847

Per Axbom Nov 2, 2022

@anubis2814 You commented with the exact same text on another post of mine 6 hours ago. Do you have an automated reply tool or are you just copy-pasting the same text on multiple posts?

anubis2814

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzgsBSEiEgLhZhPVugd9vlnc4-4i4Oerc Here's a better understanding of the greater fediverse with 3 2-minute videos. You may n...

Adamas Nemesis Nov 2, 2022

@axbom Our software is awesome, and the best part of all? There's still *massive* room for improvement. We could rule the world!

Bill Ricker Nov 2, 2022

@axbom Lovely picture, thank you ! Our local FLOSS for Senior Citizens group is meeting tomorrow and i have to explain how Mastodon isn't the whole Fediverse, this is perfect !

Per Axbom Nov 2, 2022

@n1vux Excellent to hear! Thanks for the feedback.

ernest Nov 2, 2022

@axbom Another fish in the sea: https://kbin.pub ;)

Home | kbin.pub - Fediverse of content

Elliott Nov 2, 2022

@axbom awesome! Thanks!

Geo Stokes Nov 3, 2022

@axbom this is awesome! Thanks for sharing 💪

Bruh🛡️Nov 3, 2022

@axbom Thank you for making this🥰

OnlyFeatures Nov 3, 2022

@axbom Does that mean I can federate into one of these other applications with my identity from here?

"Nurture-boy" Ric Flair Nov 3, 2022

@onlyfeatures
Yes. You can follow accounts from any of the other services that use the activity pub protocol.
@axbom

nancy Nov 3, 2022

@axbom It seems like the fediverse is a lot of what Blockchain promised to be.

@nancyhawa @axbom Believe it or not, it was the Fediverse who started [the] #Web3.

For more than a decade now, we've been talking about Web 3.0 as being about a decentralized, distributed, federated, open, network (DDFON).

jamie hill🏴‍☠️Nov 3, 2022

@axbom this is so cool. it feels like the internet felt in the nineties.

EricH Nov 3, 2022

@hilljam @axbom I agree! Just when you think you have it figured out, now back to the learning!

jamie hill🏴‍☠️Nov 3, 2022

@MountainGoat @axbom it’s good. Keeps us young 🙂

https://axbom.com/fediverse/

Parents For Future

Nov 3, 2022

Thanks, @axbom, helpful!

The many branches of the Fediverse

Axbom • My Next Heartbeat

Robert W. Gehl Nov 3, 2022

@axbom I'm going to put this on a slide for #aoir2022 right now!

@robertwgehl I'm just updating it within an hour. Keep an eye out :)

Robert W. Gehl Nov 3, 2022

@axbom heh, too late! But will get the new version for the next talk. Really helpful illustration!

@robertwgehl Oh well done. Already used in a talk. I'm impressed 😅

Hendrik Erz, PhD Nov 3, 2022

@axbom nice little overview, thanks! But what does Nextcloud have to do with it …?

https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/

@hendrikerz Nextcloud announced the alpha version of ActivityPub social features in 2018. More recently they also announced this:

No need to trust Musk. We go federated with Nextcloud Social!

Nextcloud Social offers federated, trusted, big-tech-free social networking to tens of millions of users

Nextcloud

Hendrik Erz, PhD Nov 3, 2022

@axbom Interesting, so they're not using it the way Mastodon is. Very interesting, thanks for the link!

🐍 Lex 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️Nov 3, 2022

@axbom this is awesome, thank you!

What, if anything, is the advantage of having accounts on multiple (micro)blog sides like mastodon? I get the purpose of the separate video, music and photo ones, but many of these look at first glance like alternatives to mastodon. Is that the case and it’s just user’s choice/where someone feels most comfortable?

@LexxAstar Yes I would say it's more often a user preference. They have different interfaces, features and integrations. I understand Friendica for example has a Twitter add-on, and supports the diaspora protocol.

🐍 Lex 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️Nov 3, 2022

@axbom aha, makes sense! Thank you

MargoB Nov 3, 2022

@axbom Cool! Thanks for sharing :)

Hans Gerwitz Nov 3, 2022

@axbom I love Micro.blog, but do they belong here? Indieweb is sadly not fediverse, etc.

@gerwitz It's a fair question. I explained a bit more on the page itself. Fediverse doesn't really exclude commercial actors?

I also think it would be fair to add Wordpress. What would be your take on that?

Hans Gerwitz Nov 3, 2022

@axbom I *assume* there's an ActivityPub plugin for Wordpress, but that's way outside my lane

@axbom @gerwitz Good question.

If, for example, Twitter and Facebook implements ActivityPub, it is up to the server admins to decide if they will block them or not.

But, as ActivityPub is a protocol (and a webstandard), no one can truly exclude anyone from the Fediverse.

The best (or worse?) that can happen is a particular platform/software includes a block by default, so when all other servers update, they will acquire that block. (It will definitely cause a lot of heated discussions too.)