Marcus Adams
If you use #GMail, #Google keeps records of everything you buy, even if you delete the email receipt, and even if you didn't buy the product from them. Here's metadata from my takeout showing price, delivery address, description, vendor, etc. #privacy
Sep 23, 2021 at 1:10amWeb
Show threadoshySep 23, 2021

@gerowen Jesus.....................

Does anyone have recommendations for a less terrifying email provider?

Show threadpinkprius [en]Sep 23, 2021
@ocean @gerowen #posteo is good, but costs 1€/month
Show threadpinuscSep 23, 2021
@ocean @gerowen Protonmail has a free plan and is (to my knowledge) about the most privacy-centered email provider
Show threadMAD7  Sep 23, 2021

@pinusc @ocean @gerowen I'm using Protonmail too with also Proton VPN and Proton Calendar ❤️

Everything Free 🙏🏼🍀

Show threadmeejahSep 23, 2021
@ocean @gerowen I've been happy with fastmail .. $5/user/month with decent webmail (and IMAP, POP etc).
Show threadSivarion AnatornelSep 23, 2021
@ocean @gerowen I host my email at #zoho It is reasonably priced, easy to setup and have multiple other functionalities if you need them.
Show threadHans van ZijstSep 23, 2021
@oshy🐈
Does anyone have recommendations for a less terrifying email provider?

Self hosting isn't an option for most people, but that would probably be the best.

Most e-mail providers aren't as creepy as Google, the average ISP would be a reasonable alternative. If you want something that's focussed on privacy, you should consider Tutanota:

https://tutanota.com/

If you want a complete package (e-mail, cloud, vpn and more), have a look at Librem One:

https://librem.one/

Bottom line here: stay away from #Google. Not just their e-mail, but everything. Use DuckDuckGo to search the Internet, for example. And Odysee to share videos. There are alternatives for those who understand how evil Google really is (and #Facebook of course).
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Show threadAlexSep 24, 2021
@ocean @gerowen Self hosting is a good option. But that's sadly not straight forward and tuning a postfix config still freaks me out after two decades. Protonmail and services similar to it provide good service. It's not 100% anonymous but at least once the email has been arrived at protonmail the data is encrypted on their servers. Their free service is just fine. But don't expect rock solid privacy from anything related to email. It can't be private, especially not the header.
Show threadxolSep 24, 2021
@ocean @gerowen Like @pinkprius I can recommend Posteo! ❤️
Show threadpinuscSep 23, 2021
@gerowen Where is this JSON from? GDPR request? I'm curious about finding the information Google collects about me too...
Show threadMark von ÜbelgartenSep 23, 2021

@gerowen PGP/GnuPG is widely criticized by usability folks, but *that* is a place where it should be more deployed.

Pretty easy for e-commerce platforms to have an option for uploading PGP keys end encrypting all notification emails with them.

Show threadHans van ZijstSep 23, 2021
I've been telling my friends this for years, but their lukewarm reaction is usually something naive like "I don't have anything to hide".
Show threadzeruchSep 23, 2021
@hans that argument has always appeared poor to me as well, and I've generally used Daniel Solove's counter (he's actually written numerous academic papers and a whole book on privacy) anytime it pops up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqJ8EMwj7zY&ab_channel=TheAgendawithStevePaikin
Daniel Solove: Nothing to Hide, Nothing to Fear?

YouTube
Show threadHans van ZijstSep 23, 2021
@zeruch Nice link, I might get that book! I've used several of those arguments in discussions, but somehow I don't seem to be very convincing. Or most of my friends are really dumb, but I like to think they are not.

Fact is that most people don't see any danger other than receiving some well targeted spam. For most people privacy is like oxygen: they will start worrying about it when they notice it's running low.
Show threadzeruchSep 24, 2021
@hans Solove can be a bit dry to listen to, but his arguments are concise and I think present an interesting bridge between what people seem to get paranoid about and the actual fundamental stuff that should be worrisome. Frankly I'm totally okay with the entire #adtech economy collapsing on itself and something new growing up through the ashes. I frankly don't care about the disruption in the process; #surveillancecapitalism is trash en bloc.
Show thread𝖑𝖔𝖗𝖊𝖓 𝖉𝖎𝖆𝖘Dec 8, 2021
@hans Next time ask them for a list of their credit card numbers and passwords
Show threadDasGeekSep 23, 2021
@gerowen Wow this is a really interesting view. Thanks for sharing this.
Show threadEldritch Horror 😈Sep 23, 2021
@gerowen eep
Show threadDr. F. LopperSep 23, 2021
@gerowen: Even if it was obvious (like, ofc they keep data, its googe) I find it scary everytime I see stuff like that
Show threadالتنينوكسSep 23, 2021
@gerowen Creepy AF. that is why I selfhost my email.
Show threadHans van ZijstSep 23, 2021
@التنينوكس Same here. I host everything myself; mail, cloud, DNS, video, social media.
Show threadBlueberrySep 23, 2021

@gerowen here from Hacker News 😛

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28631540

Google keeps records of everything you buy, even if you delete the email receipt | Hacker News

Show thread🥝 Leo  🦀Sep 23, 2021
@gerowen Imagine what you would find if you requested the data per the #RGPD “data request”
Show threadninjaaSep 23, 2021
@gerowen how'd you get the metadata? would love to see my own as well
Show threadgmodenaSep 23, 2021
@gerowen this has been implemented a while ago. IIRC you can opt out of the experience. Or could. Accidentally, discovery this is what prompted me to pull the plug and switch to protonmail.
Show threadwakest likes your bugs ⁂Sep 23, 2021
@gerowen disroot is good. Riseup also good
Show threadsleepy fox in a weighted blanketSep 23, 2021
@gerowen anything we can do to prevent this?
Show threadGregory VanderlaanSep 23, 2021
@gerowen I believe that Google Keeps a Record of Everything You Do Online... Every Click... Every Website you Visit... Everything... and they've been doing it for over 25 years... That's Why Google News FOR ME is So Accurate... they Really know what I'm Interested in...
Show threadDenSep 23, 2021
@gerowen Excellent find. I had no idea they were so arrogant.
Show thread2FramesSep 25, 2021
@gerowen honestly hate google. like sweet jesus.
there a data mining pig. for real.
Show threadflorianherrengtSep 26, 2021
@gerowen I’ve been using @protonmail for a while now and it’s pretty good. They recently released a big update too. Good to see they are actively working on it.
Show threadPoslovitchSep 27, 2021

@gerowen For some reason, all I get when I “takeout” “Purchases & Reservations” is an empty zip (well, except for the Archive Explorer).

Doesn’t make sense, I’m still receiving some invoices on my Gmail account 🤔

Show threadAlberto ⓋOct 12, 2021
@gerowen source?
Show threadFlux AnswerNov 15, 2021
@gerowen so i downloaded my google data before deleting the account, but in poking around the downloaded files don't see anything like this. am i not looking in the right place? or is this a relatively new thing that wouldn't be in my data from early this year? i am very interested in understanding this...