TurtBurgler 40KMay 18, 2020
Obviously it's like, not great but I had a huge phase in middle school where it was my special interest and now whenever I infodump lore about it onto my one friend it's so funny. He doesn't really know anything about it and so hearing about how balls to the wall insane all of the lore is just makes him laugh.
Show threadSimple Bastard

@GayNiffler 40k definitely has some elements which entered the lore in a sarcastic/satiric sense but have become problematic due to CHUDs flocking to the fandom and taking shit at face-value.

The whole point of 40k is that there are no good guys and that the Imperium is a perverse distortion of what it was supposed to be, but naturally the fash see militarism, chauvinism, xenophobia and say "Yeah. Those are clearly the good guys."

May 18, 2020 at 6:35pmWeb
Show threadTurtBurgler 40KMay 18, 2020

@SimpleBastard I would agree if the franchise had kept to just the rulebooks but the novels/videogames usually frame the space Marines as the heroes. Maybe not the entire imperium, but it's still uncomfortable.

Like for instance the space marines video game that came out when thq was still a thing tries to reframe the space Marines with some good ol neoliberal individualism so you know they're Good Soldiers. Maybe that's just games workshop playing to a AAA audience but it's still doesn't sit right with me.

Show threadSimple BastardMay 18, 2020

@GayNiffler Games Workshop was absolutely culpable in that, and a lot of it had to do with Matt Ward. During his tenure at Games Workshop they definitely pushed the Space Marines as heroes and upped the grimdark factor.

Since he left in 2014 they've taken some steps in the novels (haven't read any recent rulebooks) to say "Yeah, no, this isn't okay. The Imperium is actually very fucked up and not good."