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Nando Sola Dec 31, 2019

I've been building a Facebook Events style event organizing system for the Fediverse. It's based on the simple, open source, privacy-respecting event organizing tool https://gath.io

The attached video is a work-in-progress preview and shows compatibility with Mastodon. My hope is to get it working with lots of software, including stuff like Friendica that supports events and calendars.

Check out more at my Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/organizing-on-32729070

Gathio

An easier, quicker, and much less privacy-invading way to make and share events

Darius Kazemi Dec 30, 2019

Also on the todo list is to add an Events tab to Hometown that keeps track of events you've RSVPed to. (For federation nerds: this will be driven by ActivityPub `Event` activities sent to a user's inbox after they've successfully RSVPed.)

Darius Kazemi Jan 6, 2020

omg this is cool, I only had to change one line of code and now my gath fork provides verrrry minimal Friendica compatibility! (the end time is the same as the start time, probably a bug on my end, but still, this is neat to see this working "for free" after implementing Event activities)

El Dorado Jan 6, 2020

@@darius I'm currently reworking Zap to send events as Invite/Event instead of Create/Event per the discussion yesterday. We'll still support implicit invites if we get a Create/Event from elsewhere but will stop generating them. I'm probably not going to support the target property on Invite unless this causes a serious problem with other projects. If you receive the invite, you're invited.

Darius Kazemi Jan 6, 2020

@mike Okay, cool. Do you send out an Accept/Event when I click the affirmative RSVP button on an Event I've received? I am not seeing anything POSTed to the inbox of the actor on my end when I RSVP from Friendica.

In here I see a sendContactAccept but not a sendEventAccept, for example https://github.com/friendica/friendica/blob/a8fa7e5187cbe24c2d69ed09cdbbe87e5fe5b8ef/src/Protocol/ActivityPub/Transmitter.php

friendica/friendica

Friendica Communications Platform. Contribute to friendica/friendica development by creating an account on GitHub.

El Dorado Jan 6, 2020

@@darius I couldn't really tell you what Friendica is doing. I left that project in 2012 and some of the community members picked it up and kept it going. We have some very strong differences of opinion about privacy and consequently aren't on the best speaking terms.

Zap and Hubzilla send Accept/Event at this moment in time. Once my testing is complete Zap will send Accept/{Invite/Event} and eventually I'll create a pull request for Hubzilla to do the same.

Darius Kazemi Jan 6, 2020

@mike okay great! Is there a Zap instance that I can create an account on? I signed up for hubzilla but could not figure out how to send a follow request to an AP account (I'll read docs later this was just my initial attempt)

El Dorado Jan 6, 2020

@@darius I think zap.dog has the latest released code and open registrations. ActivityPub is built-in.

Hubzilla requires you to add the ActivityPub app from the hamburger menu if you want to use that protocol and not all sites make that plugin available. It can be difficult to find a public site that does. hub.libranet.de and hub.disroot.org do iiirc.

For both Zap and Hubzilla, there's a 'Connections' app in the hamburger menu. On that page is a box to add a new connection. Either a webfinger address or URL are accepted. There are other methods, but this is the most straight forward.
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Darius Kazemi Jan 6, 2020

@mike I haven't successfully found a place to test from for zap or hubzilla, but I did get affirmative RSVP working with Friendica, which is using the same federation model you mention (Accept/Event). Can you try following @V_Yyi5YB7 -- you'll get an Event in your feed that you can RSVP "yes" to, and it should after a few minutes be reflected on the page. (If you go to https://events.tinysubversions.com/V_Yyi5YB7 you'll see that's a Friendica account that has RSVPed there)

El Dorado Jan 6, 2020

@@darius @Yet another event okay 3 Following, but probably need some fresh content like a comment or another rsvp to arrive in order to retroactively pull the parent activity; since I wasn't following when it first was published. The "fetch their existing timeline on connect" feature hasn't yet been upgraded to work with AP feeds.

Darius Kazemi Jan 6, 2020

@mike @V_Yyi5YB7 sure but *on follow* it should send an Event to your inbox

wakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 30, 2019

@darius so is this test already using the new event tag that just got merged into masto?

Darius Kazemi Dec 30, 2019

@liaizon Not yet, will probably add it tomorrow

El Dorado Dec 30, 2019

@@liaizon @@darius Got a link so I can check compat with Zap ? We should be OK with HomeTown's events and RSVPs but I hadn't heard anything about an event tag.

wakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 30, 2019

@mike @darius this is what I was referring to, tag was the wrong word to use. https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/12637

Add Event activity-type support by tcitworld · Pull Request #12637 · tootsuite/mastodon

This adds support for Event AP type in Mastodon. Events are converted into toots by taking their title (AS name) and their URL (AP ID). Event picture is also brought in if available. Testable by fe...

anv3745 Dec 31, 2019

@darius @mobilizon @mike maybe have a look at Mobilizon too? Activity pub events tool currently in development by french non-profit Framasoft

anv3745 Dec 31, 2019

@darius sorry, spoke too soon... Arriving at this thread from a different post, I see you already commented on the differences. Threading on Mastodon really confuses me 😞

@darius any closer in this movement?

Darius Kazemi Nov 14, 2022

I should probably update this somehow to say "by the way this has been working for years now and available at https://gath.io " but I am so. so. busy this week

Gathio

An easier, quicker, and much less privacy-invading way to make and share events

Phil Nelson Nov 14, 2022

@darius This is really neat, thanks

wakest likes your bugs ⁂Dec 30, 2019

@darius excited to hear you are talking to devs to make this feature go mainline gath!

charlag Dec 30, 2019

@darius *strips tshirt and starts running in circles wildly*

Stéphane Bortzmeyer Dec 30, 2019

@darius And how will it differ from #Mobilizon?

Darius Kazemi Dec 30, 2019

@bortzmeyer Different federation model. My primary Actor is for an individual event, whereas Mobilizon has users who "own" events. I want people to be able to follow events rather than humans who own many events.

The Lore System Dec 30, 2019

@darius oh my gosh, i saw this my first week on fedi but didn't save it and I've been looking for it ever since!

Doug Webb Dec 30, 2019

@darius Great! Go go go! Federated events are critical missing infrastructure right now, I can't wait for solutions.

Will be good to have some friendly, fediversly coopetition with Mobilizon and any others :)

Albatroz Jeremias Dec 30, 2019

@darius awesome stuff! you should also checkout @mobilizon

Kris Freedain Dec 31, 2019

@darius this looks great - looking forward to trying it out

Kyle Piira Dec 31, 2019

@darius
Looks really nice.

Mohammad Parvin Dec 31, 2019

@sinacarnelious

فکر کنم روی این میتونی کار کنی
همون چیزی بود که میخواستی

blub Dec 31, 2019

@darius
Will it be compatible with @mobilizon ? Would be nice if both tools could share the same schemas etc?

Hex Dec 31, 2019

@darius There is also @GetTogetherComm which seems to be working on federated events. And the general discussion: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federated-events/305

Federated Events

LONG story SHORT: I think it’s time to federate events! 😃 🌴 CURRENT SITUATION we have a great decentralised events platform “Meetup like” called GetTogether (Python) https://gettogether.community someone started already to write a standalone AP Python library https://github.com/dsblank/activitypub things seems a bit stuck… 😛 https://github.com/GetTogetherComm/GetTogether/issues/60 FEDEVENT somebody already created an experimental FedEvent but no sou...

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Aaron Parecki Dec 31, 2019

This is very cool! Nice overloading of polls for RSVP buttons!

I've been working on events too, and just launched https://events.indieweb.org last week! It federates via Webmention, including adding photos, comments and blog posts via Webmention replies. I've been thinking about whether and how to add ActivityPub to it and this is giving me some ideas now!

IndieWeb Events | IndieWeb Events

Darius Kazemi Dec 31, 2019

@aaronpk Oh cool! Yeah, tbh my main issue with most events solutions out there is that their federation models seem really weird to me. It was important for me to make an event (lower case) into an Actor that people can follow, and then it can send out Events. Other implementations take the AS2 vocab spec too literally and make human users their Actors, and you follow a human and they emit Events that they "own" over time

Aaron Parecki Dec 31, 2019

I agree with you on that! I think this is also a similar issue I've seen on how we've been doing "indie events", where an individual person posts an event on their own website. (We have at least 6 years of examples of this at this point.) But I've always thought of events as being their own thing even if they're hosted by a specific person. So this is my attempt at flipping that around and making events a first-class entity.

Darius Kazemi Dec 31, 2019

@aaronpk we should probably do our once-every-two-years thing where we actually meet up and talk about this stuff since we live in the same city huh

Aaron Parecki Dec 31, 2019

😂 has it been that long! Yes we definitely should! I'm around this week!

onymous (they)Dec 31, 2019

@darius Interesting. Any thoughts about mobilizon.org?

ᶘ ͡°ᴥ͡°ᶅ James

@darius @nolan good stuff. I could see setting this up at PDX.social.

Darius Kazemi Dec 31, 2019

@foozmeat @nolan Yeah! gath.io is remarkably easy to administer, too. One thing I want to add to it is the ability to set it up so it only allows users who auth from YOUR mastodon/oauth domain to create events. That way you're only committed to moderating events created by the users you already have

witchlectical runeterialist Dec 31, 2019

@darius !!!!!!

Dion Moult Dec 31, 2019

@darius What's the difference with GetTogether? (https://gettogether.community/)

Get Together

Darius Kazemi Dec 31, 2019

@thinkMoult I haven't evaluated that so I can't say. I think my federation model is pretty different though,
for example RSVP via direct message is not something I've seen before

Dion Moult Dec 31, 2019

@darius Always good to have some variation in the community :) I've seen RSVP'ing via messages / emails before, though.

Sean Tilley Jan 1, 2020

@darius Very cool! Have you looked into @mobilizon ? It seems like they're also building something along those lines; maybe both projects could eventually be compatible?

Darius Kazemi Jan 1, 2020

@sean @mobilizon Yes. My goal is for maximum compatibility, though our federation models are different (my events have their own Actors that emit Events, theirs is a more traditional user-is-the-Actor afaict)

MapAm💜re Jan 3, 2020

We 😍 gath.io ! We've used this in a few events.

Polly Kraisus Jan 3, 2020

@darius great news, thanks for working on that!
Quick question: what happens to events you follow after they end? Do they increasingly clutter your follow list?

Darius Kazemi Jan 3, 2020

@stragu Gath deletes events two weeks after they end, I am telling it to inform followers that the account itself has been deleted as well so if your AP server honors those deletes then you should lose the follow as well

Polly Kraisus Jan 4, 2020

@darius excellent! Thank you for the reply, and for your work! :)

Darius Kazemi Jan 5, 2020

@stragu Done, btw :)

free_appalachia Jan 3, 2020

@darius yes!!! This is really the last domino for corporate social media. As soon as I have some spare money, I will definitely contribute. I love seeing the internet becoming ours again. ❤️❤️❤️

Wetrix Jan 3, 2020

@darius isn't privacy, open source and Facebook all in the same sentence an oxymoron?

Strypey Feb 21, 2020

Hi @darius I just tried to test events.friend.camp but it tells me I need an account on friend.camp. When I clicked the login button under that message, it took me to a login page on friend.camp. I clicked on 'sign up' but it redirected me to:
https://joinmastodon.org/#getting-started

When I navigate directly to friend.camp, sign-ups there appear to be closed. Is it possible set up an event on a Gath instance using an account on another Mastodon instance?

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@darius This is great! The whole reason I joined FB, again was events.. finally!

@darius I like this idea!

𝕂ℕ𝔽 𝕀𝕆𝕆 ☎️Nov 10, 2022

@darius @skinnylatte this looks really cool

AGF : poemproducer Nov 14, 2022

@darius omg yes

Golda Nov 14, 2022

@darius hey Darius is there an ActivityStreams like vocabulary for events? We also produce events from app.whatscookin.us and would love to output them in a friendly schema