Matt Cropp 🌲🌲When thinking about tactics for the #employeeownership movement, #abolitionism is an interesting tradition to draw from...
Antanicus@mattcropp this is the lazy ignorant in me speaking, but... what is abolitionism? :)
Wu-Lee#Abolitionism typically means, abolish slavery.
Possibly also a reference to #neoabolitionism in the sense #DavidEllerman used it? (Correct me if wrong.)
http://www.thestraddler.com/201715/piece2.php
You'll like it. An interesting moral argument for worker-ownership. New to me, heard through a #Coop MOOC earlier this year.
Essentially claims Marx's #LTV Labour Theory of Value took a wrong turn and became morally equivalent to merely advocating better terms for slavery (== employment).
Against the Renting of Persons: David Ellerman in conversation with The Straddler
The voluntary slavery contract, the non-democratic constitution, and the coverture marriage contract are all outlawed in today's democratic countries. And then you have the employment contract, which is not outlawed, but which you can analyze using the same inalienable rights theory.
Come to think of it, I think the #neoablitionism criticism of Marx's #LTV could equally be leveled at Universal Benefit AKA Citizen's Income AKA #UBI.
Which maybe explains why I feel slightly uneasy about the framing of #UBI.
We need #CitizensOwnership not #CitizensIncome
A point argued here by Charles Hugh Smith:
http://teamhuman.fm/episodes/ep-84-charles-hugh-smith-investing-in-community/
@wu_lee @Antanicus Definitely on the same page; I like the way Ed Whitfield of @f4dc frames the #UBI critique: https://f4dc.org/2017/nevermind-guaranteed-income-we-want-the-cow/
Nathan Schneider@mattcropp @wu_lee @Antanicus @f4dc I love this. I have never been able to get excited abt UBI since I heart Ed say at the Left Forum years ago, "we want the means of production, not the means of consumption" (or something like that)
Josef Davies-Coates@ntnsndr @f4dc @Antanicus @wu_lee @mattcropp I also love that talk Ed gives re "teach a man to fish" & not having a rod nor access to the lake.
greg 🌲🌲@ntnsndr @f4dc @Antanicus @wu_lee @mattcropp holy shit that's a good phrase. definitely stealing that, damn
@wu_lee @Antanicus yes, particularly thinking of the ellerman frame, via a bus the abolition of a particular unjust form of work relations...