Ah. Couldn't force #xemacs to `(global-set-key '[(control shift tab)] 'switch-to-buffer)` yesterday... Apparently, I should have used `(kbd "C-iso-left-tab")` instead...

@screwlisp wrote:
> the modes [for Xemacs] are different and incompatible to gnu emacs modes, so slime and eev are not going to work.

Yes, last I looked at it long ago, it took unjustifiably much to make things work with both #Xemacs and GNU #Emacs.

> modes distributed with xemacs. Iirc some of the modes seem to be about sending lisp expressions to a shell

Slime's predecessor?
(Whose name I can't remember now.)

@hairylarry @kentpitman @jns @mdhughes @dougmerritt @ksaj @ramin_hal9001 @tealeg

@hairylarry
Despite that old computer challenge week, I didn't figure out what the idiom was. But the modes are different and incompatible to gnu emacs modes, so slime and eev are not going to work.

There is a release sumo tarball of modes distributed with xemacs. Iirc some of the modes seem to be about sending lisp expressions to a shell, but I didn't manage to get deep into it. #xemacs #useage #mastoquestions

@kentpitman @jns @vnikolov @mdhughes @dougmerritt @ksaj @ramin_hal9001 @tealeg

August 17, 2008. Oulu, Finland. Canon PowerShot A20.

This is the hand-me-down Compaq Armada laptop upon which I, defying Men and Gods who said it was impossible, installed #Debian despite it not even meeting the installer minimum requirements. Running *any* #X11 apps was really an exercise in frustration. For my writing projects I compiled Darcs from source (which was a bit painful). As you can see, #Emacs runs fine! (I was in my #XEmacs phase) "Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping" isn't such a bad thing when you have 32 megabytes of RAM. We can do it!

Maybe it's time for me to give plain #emacs another chance... the amount of things not quite working in #xemacs is becoming too high.

May the `M-x customize-face` be with you ;)

#OCC25 #weblog the first. #retrocomputing #xemacs #emacs

https://screwlisp.small-web.org/occ/25/jul15.txt

I decided to write text file daily weblogs for the rest of this OCC week since my computer is already an old computer.

I just say things I think are true about @jwz as my #oldComputerChallenge topic and I have switched to xemacs as promised.

pui-list-packages
...
ilisp

@mostlypat

Very cool pat! I used xemacs as my main emacs for a while in 2018 I think but it was definitely brain-stretching to remember now.

I didn't write about it yet, but I'm going to use #xemacs #emacs through #occ25 http://occ.deadnet.se/ #retrocomputing
@mattof @prahou @solene
What's everyone else doing?

(Er... Download.. sumo tarball... pui-list-packages ... ilisp ... <enter> ... x .. customize-variable ... inferior-lisp-program .. ecl)

The joke being that xemacs is actively developed and #openbsd provides the 2025 release. But I think xemacs reflects the values of the #oldComputerChallenge (and my sysctl hw.setperf=0)

Old Computer Challenge

Home of the divine machines.

Jaw falling day:
- civil war in russia
- #XEmacs new release
- what's next 👾 👽 👾

#Emacs

https://www.xemacs.org/Releases/21.5.35.html

XEmacs: XEmacs 21.5.35 "kohlrabi" is released

XEmacs is a highly customizable open source text editor and application development system. It is protected under the GNU Public License and related to other versions of Emacs, in particular GNU Emacs. Its emphasis is on modern graphical user interface support and an open software development model, similar to Linux. XEmacs has an active development community numbering in the hundreds, and runs on Windows 95 and NT, Linux and nearly every other version of Unix in existence. This site provides links to all of the FTP sites mirroring XEmacs, contains the absolute latest version of the XEmacs FAQ, and has pointers to additional Elisp packages which work with XEmacs. This site is provided to help users get the most out of XEmacs.

A new #XEmacs release wasn't on my 2023 bingo card.

https://www.xemacs.org/Releases/21.5.35.html

XEmacs: XEmacs 21.5.35 "kohlrabi" is released

XEmacs is a highly customizable open source text editor and application development system. It is protected under the GNU Public License and related to other versions of Emacs, in particular GNU Emacs. Its emphasis is on modern graphical user interface support and an open software development model, similar to Linux. XEmacs has an active development community numbering in the hundreds, and runs on Windows 95 and NT, Linux and nearly every other version of Unix in existence. This site provides links to all of the FTP sites mirroring XEmacs, contains the absolute latest version of the XEmacs FAQ, and has pointers to additional Elisp packages which work with XEmacs. This site is provided to help users get the most out of XEmacs.