@th Thank you! So these are the white pens that I currently fav, the signo uni-ball is also the one I used for plotting on my laptop-lid after preparing it with acrylic gouache. Some of the depth effects have been achieved by copics, then drawing again over them with the whites. I also sometimes “cheat” as in, waiting for a longer pen-lift to quickly stroke my finger/towel to clean the tip whilst plotting - deliberate breaks would ease my life here but that’s on the #wannado