A good example of the OP on scientism is a regular contestant on The Past is Right (aka #History of Science): The #reductionist superlative "every x that exists today was directly predicted/caused by "science" (or field, model, person, etc)." #woo related post below: bsky.app/profile/jame... #HPS

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:evz2lw2i64j2p6qaawvfoohz/post/3mdkinoeuy22f
But the act of creation cannot be understood from the usual top-down #reductionist method. We get fooled by our own expert-level use of abstractions, allowing reification to take control of the explanation. When we don't have the new name yet, we run with a placeholder to fill the gap.

Just as #software systems mirror the #communication structures of their creators, #computers embody the #binary, #reductionist mindset of #mathematicians.

#math #physics #philosophy

@witchescauldron @hamishcampbell

Well, I think I understand what you're implying there, and would definitely agree that information is not enough (fluffy?).

Lifestyles, habits, and world-views have to change too, and for those, more info is not what is generally needed. Pain & loss are unfortunate requirements, aka "learning the hard way" through experience instead of a lecture.

Given that we will do more to avoid pain, standing on the mainstream sidelines is what the comfy majority do. That area is constantly shrinking though, so that's one thing in favor of motivating serious change.

I think that short term mentality also is impeding the solutions we're talking about, which are by nature quite long term, generational aspects. We will have to modify religious world-views, #nationalist /economic, and scientific ones as well, all notoriously slow to change & adapt, even though inevitable in the long run.

These institutions suffer from the lack of #openaccess & #opensource properties in duplicitous manners. They are top-down, closed #hierarchy, #reductionist, as well as exclusionary & rivalrous.

Linear thinking & toy models rule the day because they are faster & easier to implement, and very often do no noticeable harm, or if they do, it's only to a small, powerless minority (or take lifetimes to accumulate into a problem).

This has an #evolutionary basis, so solutions will have to have special characteristics of 'over-ride' (power) while remaining constrained in both scope and time ( #decentralized & periodic). It will require the kind of #trust that #inequality and #plutocracy won't allow.

We'll need to be #interconnected, co-dependent, and often vulnerable. #Network forms must replace #Corporate organizational framing (note that even NGOs & NPOs take the post-agrarian revolution, city-state + Ptolemaic/ #anthropocentric hierarchy).

So a re-write of the narrative is in order. This is quite natural and repeats regularly throughout history. There are software updates & patches, and then there are entirely new apps & devices (driven by hardware advances, or tech in general).

Kuhn has clear ideas about how #science navigates these changes. Puzzle-solving ~/= bug patches. We are well beyond a saturation of patches; it's time for a paradigm shifting philosophy & protocol. My hack at this is called the #Information_Paradigm.

We are, in essence, needing something that can easily appear contradictive-- the early adopters of new paradigms are a very different crowd than the mass crowds that will follow them, based on emotional or fast-brain processes. Getting them onboard takes a different set of enticements than the post-pivot criticality will for the rest of civilization.

IOW, the 'fluffy' stuff comes back as partly but critically necessary, which is why we can't eliminate it completely. Leaders emerge across all scales, and need to be able to find common ground with their distant cohorts, rather than competitive isolation or aggression for individual benefit.

These leaders, and the groups/networks they represent, are very diverse. A default to "Open" principles means, among other things, looking for shared desires & interests to build #cooperation on, rather than immediately dividing along lines of difference.

"We are really interested in the organizational features common to all living systems; and in their material structures only insofar as they support or manifest those features. Therefore, we have heretofore approached organisms in precisely the wrong way; we have abstracted out, or thrown away, all those global organizational features in which we are really interested, leaving ourselves with a purely material system that we have studied by purely material methods, hoping ultimately to recapture the organization from our material studies. This has not happened."

-- Robert Rosen, on the failure of the #reductionist philosophy of Physics to comprehend Life

#Ecology and #Love

"My call for love, #hope and #advocacy may be unnerving for some ecologists; may bristle against our deeply ingrained training as objective, #reductionist and dispassionate observers; and may be viewed balefully by #editors who guard against any expression of feeling in their #journals, any hint of doubt about #scientific respectability. ...we are living in a #world besieged by increasing #crisis; we need the courage to #act...".

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/aec.13443

#EnvironmentalEthics

AI researchers talk about multimodal models as if they're literally fusing a sensorium out of molecular building blocks rather than, as is actually the case, applying the same stupefying reductionism to different kinds of data then mixing them like a latent space pot noodle
#AI #multimodal #reductionist

“The craze with all things #quantum is not just because of its inherent weirdness. It’s motivated by a #reductionist impulse that has been animating science from Robert Hooke in the 17th century to Stephen Hawking in the 21st.”

https://iai.tv/articles/reality-is-not-revealed-by-quantum-mechanics-auid-2512

Reality is not revealed by quantum mechanics

IAI TV - Changing how the world thinks

@strypey
What Quinn said, basically all good things are self first, others later."

If you can't help yourself you cannot help others.

Maybe astroturfing is a problem, when describing a non-AstroTurf dev cycle is considered a fresh, interesting departure from the norm.

Anyway, #AmazonSubstack is Amazon.

Yes, we are that #reductionist.

#CDN #CDNAsAMafia #deleteInternetMafia #deleteCAGEFAM #sUbsTack
@icedquinn