@sikka @Pece I believe that you're both right within a certain framework of facts and deductions. #ideology The framework is arguably the result of your values. Outside of that framework the real world still exists and, maybe, you're even a relevant part of it - possibly in a way that can't be described in the terms of the framework. I hold that the social is an ecosystem, not a crystal, and that we must be careful what we wish for. #whitehead #ProcessAndReality Part V Ch. I Sect. III