su'a pe'i mi nelci
lo ka sucta .e lo ka ka'e cusku ce'u kei
pe la lojban
zi'e noi so'u va'e fapro lo ke logji pagbu be le bangu ke'e
poi pe'i srana lo ka satci .e to'e sucta

#lojban

I guess, generalizing, I like the 'abstraction' and 'expressivity' in Lojban, which is a bit at odds with the 'logical' part of the language which (I presume) is more about 'precision' and 'concreteness'.

That said, I am no expert; there are parts of the lojban grammar I haven't even touched yet. Maybe my perception of lojban is completely off lol

#lojban #conlang

.a'u .aicu'i la'acu'i mi tadni ko'a goi lo tokpono bangu
.i ju'a mi sanji lo sidbo be fi ko'a
.ije ku'i go'i po'o .u'i
.i ku'i ko'a frica la .lojban. lo ka ka'e ba'o te cilre .i .u'i 😁
.i .u'e ma cu se simsa lo nu tavla be fo ko'a?

#lojban #tokipona

Should've prefaced this with

0. Everything is a verb. The 'nouns' are embedded into verbs, either in their 'core' or in their arguments. You can 'extract' them. This makes for some interesting mental gymnastics sometimes.

#lojban #conlang

3. Attitudinals. This is just cool, no explanation.

#lojban #conlang

Decided to write about what I like about lojban, for the sake of balance :D

1. 'Focusing' on a particular argument of a verb (and in L, everything is a verb); English does that as well to an extent, via the passive voice; but L has it on steroids. This is also used to turn verbs into nouns.

2. 'Partially applied' verbs; e.g. 'X gives Y to Z' you can pre-fill any of the X, Y and Z. That with the previous point makes a powerful mechanism to express complex relations tersely.

#lojban #conlang

3. Dialects. There are several (incompatible) varieties of lojban; some seem more adopted than others. This is probably not so bad and sort of expected in a conlang but, I wish there were disclaimers like "we're using version X.Y.Z in this text"; I mean, lojban has words for paragraph breaks ffs, yet no words for such metadata?

3.1. BTW yes, the verbalized paragraph breaks are just silly 😁

#lojban #conlang

2. Lack of consistency in the gismu places. I've been classifying the gismu places by semantics and they are basically all over the place. One example is in the screenshot. Just, why!? This might seem contrived or fixable but, there are more examples like this. For instance, they couldn't decide on the order SOURCE - DESTINATION vs DESTINATION - SOURCE. This makes it harder to learn the words and is just, well, pas comme il faut for a 'logical' language

#lojban #conlang

my gripes with lojban are, currently, the following:

1. Lack of noise robustness. This includes both the literal noise when speaking and the digital noise, for example typos. My favourite example: `so'i` means `many` while `so'u` means `few`. They are literally next to each other on the keyboard yet are the exact opposites. This is the result of a very tight morphology coupled with a certain knack for loading the alphabetic order with semantic meaning

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#lojban #conlang

trying to make sense of a lojban sentence

#lojban #emacs