janPiteJansekeTrying to find out when kepeken has dropped the e construction ... it came from a Dutch verb (gebruiken) but apparently the use as a preposition has prevailed ...
sproshua | 2017
toki pona is much better suited for live, in-person conversation and personal introspection. communicating in web-forums and the like certainly takes much more effort.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona/comments/7dr5rx/anyone_else_feel_toki_pona_is_misused/
Some prepositions can be used as a subclass of main verbs. For example, tawa means "to" as a preposition or "to go" or "to go to" as a verb; lon means "in" or "at" as a preposition or "exist, be in/at" as a verb; kepeken means "with" (in the sense of the instrumental case) as a preposition or "to use" as a verb. lon and tawa (but not kepeken) omit the direct object marker e before their objects: mi tawa tomo mi "I'm going to my house".
https://tme.miraheze.org/wiki/Toki_Pona
#TokiPona #verbs #prepositions #kepeken #kepeken_e #sintasi #syntax #nasin_toki
Toki Pona
Toki Pona is an oligosynthetic constructed language, first published as draft on the web in 2001 and then as a complete book and e-book Toki Pona: The Language of Good in 2014. It was designed by translator and linguist Sonja Lang (formerly Sonja Elen Kisa) of Toronto.[2][3]
What is the language you use most often on social media ?
https://www.woddal.com/post/19547_what-is-the-language-you-use-most-often-on-social-media.html
#language #use #toki #kepeken #kulupu_jan #SocialMedia #Janseke
Why does kepeken in Toki Pona sometimes gets an object introduced by an e ?
That's because before pu , the lessons mostly go back to jan Pije's TP course and in these kepeken is a verb ( from the Dutch verb gebruiken ) ... In the past, I check this out because of the usage of lon and tawa construction without an e ...
Even in his updated lessons (2015 /// http://tokipona.net/tp/janpije/okamasona.php ), jan Pije has kepeken with an e construction :
kepeken
It's easy to use kepeken as an action verb. You use e after it like with most other verbs.
mi kepeken e ilo. I'm using tools.
sina wile kepeken e ilo. You have to use tools.
mi kepeken e poki ni. I'm using that cup.
kepeken can also be a preposition.
mi moku kepeken ilo moku. I eat using a fork.
mi lukin kepeken ilo suno. I look using a flashlight. (ilo suno = a tool of light, hence flashlight)
The Russian, Catalan, French, Spanish, Dutch, Farsi, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Esperanto, etc. TP courses all go back to jan Pije's course in his 2003 (later 2005) version ...
especially since the official TP site was lacking course material for quite a long time (since 2011) and still is ...
Same goes for the derived
jan Lope's PDF Toki Pona course
Toki Pona the language of good – the simple way of life
Creator: Sonja Elen Kisa – Richard (jan Maraskuu), Canada [4, 3]
Author: B. J. Knight (jan Pije), USA [6, 7]
LATEX: Robert Warnke (jan Lope), Germany [8]
December 4, 2005
http://lolcathost.org/t/toki-pona-lessons.pdf
was one of stable references for Toki Pona for almost a decade ... and also has the 'kepeken e' as a verbal construction ...
So, it's because the courses go all back to the earilier version by jan Sonja herself ... it is she who changes her mind from time to time ... I have heard the French version of pu would also have some changes versus the English one ... I don't have it yet ... so I can't confirm this ... anyway there is a reason why kepeken keeps having direct objects introduced by 'e' ...
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I've just added Toki Pona to the Conlang Wikia
http://conlang.wikia.com/wiki/Toki_Pona
#TokiPona #characteristics #nasin #usage #kepeken #mentions #sona #anno2018
Toki Pona
Toki Pona is a miniimalistic conlang created by the Canadian translator and polyglot Sonja Lang (formerly Sonja Elen Kisa, born Christian Richard) and first published online in 2001. t's an a posteriori language, but it has simplified the phonetics of its etymons up to rendering quite a few of them hardly recognizable due to the syllable restrictions imposed on top of its nine letters / phonemes. It has only some 123 words. And some 10 grammar rules suffice to describe it. Toki Pona has some qui
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#English #Inli #usage #kepeken #sona_toki #lingua_franca #language_knowledge
Re: Toki Pona
Postby steewi » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:45 am UTC
I can't see Tokipona as a full blown auxlang. You can express whatever you like in it, I'm sure, but it becomes more and more impractical to discuss abstract concepts and complex notions. It might be useful for shopping in a foreign country, but not good for diplomacy or scientific discourse.
It is, however, a very useful experiment in linguistic minimalism, and quite effective at it. Quite worthwhile.
Whenever the subject of a sentence is either of the unmodified pronouns mi or sina, then li is not used to separate the subject and predicate.