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@serapath
> to stabilize p2p primitives before they get open sourced

This one would be more convincing ... If it wasn't for the fact that Keet is based on Pear, which is already published;

https://github.com/holepunchto/pear

Pear is in turn based on HyperCore/ DAT, which is too;

https://github.com/holepunchto/hypercore

Hypercore is part of DAT which is a documented open protocol;

https://dat.foundation/about/foundation/

So the "primitives" are already out there.

#Keet #Pear #DAT #HyperCore

@serapath @strypey well #Holochain has had far-right personalities leading its communities, and #Keet actively includes them, so there's that. Holochain has repeatedly championed White Nationalist hate actors and marketed itself to the far-right through its founding members and ecosystem growth manager.

IMO (as someone who collaborated with them for a long time and knows the architecture deeply) the DHT scenario and Holochain's forkable network architecture makes this a much more dangerous combination. No trust or consent is needed to replicate peer data to new group members, and data and code can be forked off to new groups any time. At least in Keet replication is up to the individual and not the volk.

To those newly boosting this- I can no longer in good conscience recommend #Keet as an ethical messaging alternative. In some ways that is fine, because it's serverless and so there's no infrastructure that can be compromised.

Just be aware that it is fascist-built and owned tech, set your boundaries and sanctions appropriately, and give nothing back to their toxic and structurally violent community.

Related thread for reference- https://kolektiva.social/@pospi/115891014181705108

Noteworthy that I also see people in the Pears community chat asking whether #Holepunch are part of the 'Privacy Accelerationists' group https://privacc.org and so seems pretty clear to me that #Keet's marketing is also attracting Landian #fascist #accelerationist hate actors.

I am aware that Holepunch's ~$10M in funding places them in an exponentially more powerful position than the impoverished progressive @dat_ecosystem that they've built atop of and co-opted. I also want to say that DAT's private responses to me have been exemplary in how to generatively respond to cultural issues. I hope to see people in the broader #DatEcosystem and @apereo continuing to hold that torch.

This is #OpenSource's damaging #BigTent philosophy at work yet again.

https://indieweb.social/@jaredwhite/115391398124441340