I just controlled this : on the oldest Toki Pona Word List had 'luka' had already the sense of 'five' and 'kapa' had almost all the senses of its remplacement word 'nena' except for 'nose' ...
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Ancient TP etymon
kapesi brown, grey
My work hypothesis was kapesi 'brown, grey' < maybe from Georgian კაფეში /k’apeshi/ 'in the café'
but via Facebook I've gotten a better etymology :
Zev Brook A case-inflected Georgian word is a big jump, and the semantics are pretty far off as well. What comes to mind for me is Mandarin 咖啡色 (kāfēisè), which means "the colour of coffee". (This Toki Pona word is obsolete, but of current Toki Pona words, Wikipedia quotes 8% of Chinese origin.) I won't hock Sonja by tagging her, but if she sees this post, perhaps she'll
It is in this way that I expressed my gratitude :
Pite Janseke Thanks alot ! the Cantonese pronunciation (Jyutping): gaa3 fe1 sik1 is even closer to kapesi and its tokiponization would end up as kapesi anyway ! - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%92%96%E5%95%A1%E8%89%B2 (Toki Pona borrows words from Cantonese as wel as Mandarin)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/constructedlanguages/permalink/2236349583114155/
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Pite Janseke
I'm now trying the find the origin of the Toki Pona heritage word kapesi ...
My work hypothesis at the moment is kapesi 'brown, grey' < maybe from Georgian კაფეში /k’apeshi/ 'in the café'
Zev Brook
Zev Brook A case-inflected Georgian word is a big jump, and the semantics are pretty far off as well. What comes to mind for me is Mandarin 咖啡色 (kāfēisè), which means "the colour of coffee". (This Toki Pona word is obsolete, but of current Toki Pona words, Wikipedia quotes 8% of Chinese origin.) I won't hock Sonja by tagging her, but if she sees this post, perhaps she'll clarify.
Pite Janseke
Pite Janseke Thanks alot ! the Cantonese pronunciation (Jyutping): gaa3 fe1 sik1 is even closer to kapesi and its tokiponization would end up as kapesi anyway ! - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%92%96%E5%95%A1%E8%89%B2 (Toki Pona borrows words from Cantonese as wel as Mandarin)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/constructedlanguages/permalink/2236349583114155/
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There is one archaic Toki Pona word I couldn't find an etymology for, namely kapesi [basically 'brown' or 'grey']
Does anyone has any idea where it could come from ?
grey in Toki Pona
grey
IPA: ɡɹeɪ, /ɡreɪ/; Type: adjective, verb, noun;
kapesi { adjective }
(obsolete) of a color intermediate between black and white
walo pimeja { adjective }
of a color intermediate between black and white, as of ashes or an overcast sky
https://en.glosbe.com/en/mis_tok/grey
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grey in Toki Pona
translation and definition "grey", English-Toki Pona Dictionary online
grey
IPA: ɡɹeɪ, /ɡreɪ/; Type: adjective, verb, noun;
kapesi { adjective }
(obsolete) of a color intermediate between black and white
walo pimeja { adjective }
of a color intermediate between black and white, as of ashes or an overcast sky
Having a grey colour, as the ash of an ember.
Having an indistinct or disputed quality
https://en.glosbe.com/en/mis_tok/grey
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