@SK Yeah, that's a classic: Mastodon users who don't know much about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, and who think that if Mastodon doesn't have a feature, the Fediverse doesn't. Some of them have been around since October/November 2022 or even since February/March 2022.

"The Fediverse must introduce $FEATURE."

"Um, the Fediverse already has $FEATURE. Hubzilla has had it since 2015/since 2012 when it still was the Red Matrix/Friendica has had it since 2010. This feature is literally older than Mastodon itself. Just because Mastodon doesn't have it, doesn't mean the Fediverse doesn't have it."

"Actually, everything except Mastodon has $FEATURE."

My experience is that the Fediverse outside of Mastodon, and what features it has to offer, is completely incomprehensible to those who haven't used non-Mastodon Fediverse server software for at least six months as their daily driver. Incomprehensible like a four-dimensional hypercube.

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@DHeadshot's Alt Because it can. And because its concept is to be not the Swiss Army knife, but the Leatherman Surge of the Fediverse. One server application that can cover just about any Fediverse use-case.

Hubzilla is not Friendica meets Lemmy. It's more like Friendica upgraded from decentralised to nomadic, with the identity decoupled from the login, equipped with a more powerful permissions system and enhanced to also be a DAV server and a "social content management system" that offers optional features such as (formatted, non-federating) planning cards, articles, wikis and webpages.

Basically, Hubzilla is Bonfire, but much older with almost 16 years of development behind it, much more stable, much more powerful, much more resilient and not ordered from wish.com. Just about whatever Bonfire promises to offer at some point in the future, Hubzilla already has it and even more on top.

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@Der_Pfiffige Ein fediversiger Gruß von einer #Hubzilla Instanz.

@Ben Pate 🤘🏻 On the Fediverse, I think direct messages / private messages are underdeveloped.
Most of the Fediverse anyway. Including Mastodon.

The issue which makes people call for encryption is: Most of the Fediverse has got no permissions and no understanding for permissions. Mastodon DMs only define whom a toot is sent to, but not who is allowed to see it because this very concept doesn't exist on Mastodon. This means that anyone can pull anyone else into a "private" conversation just by mentioning them.

I think you can already guess that I'm looking at this from a Hubzilla veteran's point of view again. Hubzilla already had what's the Fediverse's second-most advanced permissions system before Mastodon was even developed. It works on three levels: for your whole channel, per contact, for certain content (e.g. a post and then the whole thread following it).

If you were on Hubzilla, too, and I sent you a message with only you as the target audience, i.e. a DM, not only would this define only you as the recipient, but it would also only grant you and me permission to see my DM as well as any and all follow-ups. You could mention other users all you want. They wouldn't receive your mention. They wouldn't be allowed to receive and see it.

And this is nothing Zot-specific. Forte has inherited the Fediverse's most advanced permissions system from (streams) which, in turn, is at the end of a whole tree of forks of Hubzilla. But while Hubzilla is based on Zot6, and (streams) is based on Nomad, Forte is entirely based on ActivityPub, and it doesn't support any other protocols. So in theory, it should be possible to port Forte's permissions system over to other Fediverse server software and even build an FEP from it.

The only downside is that it's rather complex, although Hubzilla's permissions system is even another bit more complex due to its dependency on templates. There's a monthly Hubzilla workshop in German, and it takes two sessions to cover permissions.

On (streams) and Forte, it's easier to handle, but you still have to know very well what you're doing and how to configure your new channel before you post anything or connect with anyone. That's also because (streams) and Forte default to private posting: At default settings both for your channel and for your new posts, the latter are restricted to your "Friends" access list (in which all your new connections land automatically) which makes Mastodon understand them as DMs.

CC: @william.maggos

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@Ferdinand Soethe Ich bin zwar nicht Doris, aber falls du Englisch verstehst, habe ich hier einen Satz Vergleichstabellen zwischen

• Mastodon
• Friendica (leider noch nicht vollständig, weil ich da zu lange raus bin)
• Hubzilla
• (streams)
• Forte

https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392

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