@Pampa Yes, it is a remote dream. I am expecting #CivilisationCollapse by 2040 and that my child and grandchild will not have a habitable planet because I too do not think the things that are needed to avoid it are going to happen. However, if I allow this dystopian view to dominate my thoughts I will be so depressed that I will not be able to enjoy the rest of my life, so, I do what I can to reduce the damage and prepare for the worst.

I am, therefore, what is known as an #OptimisticDoomer, as opposed to an out and out #Doomer who has simply given up in face of the overwhelming evidence of the #overshoot of #PlanetaryLimits and so Planetary #CarryingCapacity.

Thanks for the reference to the Circularity Gap report 2023. Looks really useful. https://www.circularity-gap.world/2023

@LordCaramac @breadandcircuses

That many people won't weather the temperatures and storms we've unleashed. So the large number you used measures nothing useful (in my view) but has the bad effect of tethering conversations to anchor bias that cannot be intellectually overcome, even if you only offered it as a stawman to dismiss. I strongly recommend not doing that.

I have the same issue with even mentioning programs that plan to be helpful other than ASAP, yesterday, immediately, etc. Naming any future year suggests the option to pace what can have no safe pace. Better we understand our state will be perpetually "behind schedule and lucky if humanity is still standing" for our lifetimes. Anything else is throwing away thi shreds of hope of any future.

I personally measure carrying capacity not by best case scenarios, such as you vaguely cite, but by worst, and we're not well-preparing for any worst case, much less an enduring crescendo of worst cases.

#climate #CarryingCapacity #AnchoringBias #psychology #ClimateCommunication #ClimateUrgency #Sustainability