Well said by Waleed Aly. It does feel like the AUKUS deal was sprung on us with little warning or debate, and the US is now so unreliable an ally that we doubt the subs will ever be delivered. No wonder people want a proper debate about it.

"To debate this is to debate who Australia is, especially when it is caught between an increasingly erratic ally and China. And that’s why AUKUS is a flashpoint. In political terms, criticism of AUKUS runs leftward from the teals. Support begins within Labor and runs rightward to One Nation. Critics are likelier to be sceptical of the US alliance. Supporters are more likely to see China – which has plenty of nuclear submarines – as a security threat, and regard our integration with the US as too thorough to unwind. While we trade blows on whether and what kind of submarines will arrive, we’re really debating whether to embrace a huge geopolitical realignment."

#auspol #USpol #AUKUS #defence https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/the-big-unspoken-issue-that-drives-our-strong-feelings-about-second-hand-submarines-20260604-p603xu.html

The big, unspoken issue that drives our strong feelings about second-hand submarines

There is a fundamental frustration that AUKUS seems to be something that just happened. We woke up one morning and there it was. A surprise to the Australian people, a surprise to France, a surprise to Labor.

The Sydney Morning Herald

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AUKUS - public Inquiry
https://aukuspublicinquiry.netlify.app/#news

(Note: $369B for SSN Aukus subs for the 2040's … US changed “dud-deal” to sell second hand subs with a shorter life span requiring the storage of high level nuclear waste from the reactors on board to be stored on Australian territory.)

#Ai #Aukus #Billionaires #Capitalism #dataCenter #oligarchy #plutocrats #RichPeoplesYachtMoney

"AUKUS has always been a one-sided deal in which the US reaps the benefits while Australia accepts the risks. The agreement Australia entered into provides the US with numerous opportunities to cancel or modify the deal. Washington simply acted on what was permitted."

#AUKUS #AusPol
https://thepoint.com.au/opinions/260603-australia-has-been-the-victim-of-an-aukus-bait-and-switch

Australia has been the victim of an AUKUS ‘bait and switch’

Australia will now receive three second-hand Virginia-class, nuclear-powered submarines in the coming years, instead of the original deal of two used vessels and one brand new sub. Australian Defence Minister Richard Marles spun this as a welcome streamlining of the fleet that would simplify its supply chain, as well as the management and sustainment of these complex warships.

The Point
Why are people really stupid? The "used" subs are class block IV Virginia craft. The first (*yes read that again people - FIRST*) block IV virginia class sub was delivered in 2023. Making them a maximum of 3 years old. Now. Get a fucking life. #auspol #aukus #fuckmeyouarestupid
Top Hat Turnbull's sounding more Left than Sen. McAlister atm. So is Jacqui Lambie PMSL - Like WTF, ALP? #AUKUS sux Senate Committee has resumed the Major grilling of Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force after a break & Jenny's losing it already ... again #Auspol

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:6ezspd5i42ez4umymdwutikz/post/3mnex4b74dc2p
Who's watching Senate Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Legislative Committee? #Auspol I can't wait till @[email protected] comes back into the room knowing Jacquie Lambie busted ALP not even getting a warranty on 2nd hand Subs #AUKUS
#RichardFuckingMarles up on his pins in #qt trying to convince himelf (and us) that these second hand subs are the ones we wanted all along so phew what a lucky thing. Yeah, nah... ditch #AUKUS altogether Dicky, you know it makes sense. #AusPol

Minister dismisses Labor colleague Ed Husic’s criticism of secondhand Aukus submarines deal as ‘disingenuous’
By Tom McIlroy and Ben Doherty

Pat Conroy says three used Virginia-class nuclear submarines from the US will be cheaper to buy and run

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/03/aukus-australia-secondhand-nuclear-submarines-deal-criticism-defence-minister-reponse

#Aukus #RichardMarles #PeteHegseth #Australianews #Australianpolitics #TomMcIlroy #BenDoherty

Minister dismisses Labor colleague Ed Husic’s criticism of secondhand Aukus submarines deal as ‘disingenuous’

Pat Conroy says three used Virginia-class nuclear submarines from the US will be cheaper to buy and run

The Guardian
There are, of course, any number of ways and means to get out of this bad deal. The first would be to convert the ‘deal’ to one or more legally binding contracts with penalty clauses for specific non-compliance in the terms and conditions. Which, btw, the US is unlikley to contemplate entering into and thereby leave the exit door wide open for Australia to pursue its submarine dreams elsewhere… yet again. Heck, we’ve done it many times before so this should be easy peasy for Australia and will come as no surprise even to our most fervent allies and aspirant Defence tenders applicants.
#AUKUS

And, if the #AUKUS tier one debacle ins’t muddy enough for us lay people and tax payers, here is yet more #Double-talk from our #Secretive #DefenceProcurement, #Minister and #LaborMP.

Make of it what you will, but I’ll venture to say that we will not know the truth of it all until sometime hence when an #AmyRemeikis of the future writes a revelatory book about those #RustBuckets #HandMeDowns #SSN boats we are now likely to get from the USN.

Nothing stinks like #ScottyFromMarketing smell… now where did I store that gas mask I used during the #Moretorium protests?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-02/ed-husic-calls-for-aukus-deal-rethink-submarines/106750234

#AusPol

Government says it preferred second-hand submarines

Australia and the United States' initial positions about delivering a new submarine under AUKUS differed, Senate estimates has revealed.