When … all this … ends and survivors and following generations are thrown back to low-energy technologies from the 1500s,

what will happen to #capitalism?

I think, survivors will eventually start trading with ever more distant societies again.
Explorers will travel over land, discover other communities, and report back if they can, maybe also bring back an item of special interest that their own community does not have or make.

Then entrepreneurs will gather barter goods from their community, guards and and transport mules, to start the adventure of caravan trade.

Maybe, their origin-community trusts them and they staff and furnish his caravan, and promise to care for his and the guards' families while they're away.
#Communism like.
Drawing from knowledge of our history.

In other places, brave merchants will try their luck on their own somehow. Maybe band up with merchants they meet during their travels, to form unions where members help each other out with barter goods and debt payback agreements.
Capitalism like.
Drawing from knowledge of our history.

I don't think, [coastal] sea-going trade is going to have a big future.
The ruins of the cities which had harbour infrastructure are devoid of population. The distances from such old harbour infrastructure to survivor communities are going to be large and access to potable, non-toxic water along the way is going to be impossible.

Yeah, about that… water access while traveling over land.
Which rules of thumb are they going to develop? Never drink from big rivers because it's likely that industrial facilities, which were mainly located near rivers, still ooze their toxins into the soil and water?

Also: avoid over-land travel for the first xx years because water sources are all contaminated from dead bodies?

How did they do the water thing near battle fields in the olden days, what was their rule of thumb? Leave the place alone for a decade or two? Longer?

#RCPcollapse #History #ClimateChange

I find the obsession with Global Mean XYZ meaningless. Societally irrelevant.

GMT was necessary when change wasn't as obvious, ie in the 1980s or 1990s.
Today, regional impact stats and collapse thresholds are societally relevant. Both, to inform policy and to inform the public.
1.5°C stays relevant as enshrined binding international law. And maybe for climate litigation; all countries' governments in Paris accepted damages from up to 1.5°C.

I imagine a parallel world where climate scientists KNOW that #ClimateChange is an accepted fact, and Copernicus doesn't title a "Warmest year on record", trapped in the forever-loop of trying to convince climate trolls.

But instead, Copernicus has the intellectual free space for societally relevant scoops: "Year where C-C shatters the most livelihoods in South America" or
"Year of largest harvest loss in both, East Europe and South Asia".

#RCPcollapse #GlobalMean #Globalwarming #ClimateCommunication #SciCom

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/gesellschaft/id_101136102/deutschland-und-die-klimakrise-habeck-musste-reichlich-einstecken-.html

Nettes Interview mit Soziologe Staab zur Klimasoziologie.

Schade ist, dass Marc von Lüpke von T-Online nach Hopium giert und Philipp Staab in diese Ecke drängt.
Dessen Beschreibung des IST-Zustandes ist ganz gut und macht … Hoffnung 😁 … dass er selbst nicht klimadoof oder Hopiumverkokst ist. Namen mal merken 📝

Ich stelle mir vor, dass wir den beschriebenen Kulturkarren nicht mehr umdrehen, da vorher die Zivilisation zusammenbricht.
Fokussieren auf Hopium "wir müssen nur xyz machen, dann klappt das noch", sind Energie-, Emotions- und Zeitverschwendung.

Im Gegenteil lässt sich Staabs IST-Zustand als Basis nehmen und fortschreiben. Und in dieser Fortschreibung werden Hebel sichtbar, die noch was bringen.
Noch was bringen – nicht um den Zusammenbruch zu verhindern, sondern auf dem Weg dahin vll noch das eine oder andere erträglicher zu machen und natürlich auch: Hebel für #SolidarischesPreppen #preppen, damit die Überlebenden schon was haben, auf dem sie aufbauen können. zB sicherstellen, dass es im Dorf irgendwo Wasser geben wird, wenn aus dem Hahn nix mehr kommt oder dass rundherum schon wirklich genug Brennholz am Wachsen ist, damit nachhaltig geerntet werden kann.
Oder mal ausprobieren, wie groß ein Holzkohle-betriebener Schmelzofen sein muss, damit man aus Stahl-Schrott handliche Klumpen schmelzen kann, aus denen neue Äxte und Sägen geschmiedet werden können. usw.

#RCPcollapse #Klimawandel

https://jacobin.de/artikel/kapitalismus-weltrevolution-geschichte-beckert-brenner-handel-globalisierung

Neuestes Interview mit Sven Beckert über sein neues 1000-seitiges Buch über die globale Historie des Kapitalismus.

Seitdem ich das 3-Stunden Gespräch mit ihm bei #JungUndNaiv #TiloJung gesehen hab, lese ich alles, was mir dazu unterkommt.
Jeder Interviewer wirft sein eigenes, spezielles Licht auf die 1000 Seiten.

Hier nun wird unter anderem auch 2 mal besonders Augenmerk auf Beckerts Konzept der Inseln gelegt, Inseln, in denen sich Kapitalismus zuerst formierte und zentrierte, bevor "er" von da durchs Hinterland zog.

Die Interviewerin Loren Balhorn fragt dann spannenderweise:
wenn Kapitalismus in solchen Inseln entstanden ist,
ist es dann nicht auch logisch, dass seine Überwindung in solchen Inseln beginnt und sich von da ins Hinterland ausbreitet?

…

Vermutlich kommen die Kapitalismus-freien Inseln zu kurzer Blüte nach Ende der Tech-Zivilisation 🤔.
Doch bald danach regiert Kapitalismus wieder, wenn nämlich Karawansereien aufkommen und ihre teuer eingekauften und nun abenteuerlich überland transportierten Güter irgendwie gegen Verlust durch Räuber und andere Unbillen versichern müssen.
#Kapitalismus #SvenBeckert #RCPcollapse

https://robertludlum.com/books/the-utopia-experiment/

In Kyle Mills' thriller from 2013, a once-victim of the GDR surveillance state, now benevolent tech-bro billionaire, invents #Smartglasses .
The default apps, marketing strategy and €€ are geared toward fast adoption by the global rich 1% and the US military.

He wants to wait until 200 million glasses have been sold.
And then unleash a secret inbuilt functionality on the wearers which psychologically / neurologically renders them incapable of survival.
Thus, so his strategy, every society's hierarchy is decapitated at the same time, and the planet's resources stop being wasted on the gluttonous rich.
He thinks that after the ensuing likely painful chaos, a new, equally eval elite will inevitably take over.

But his hope is that the chaos survivors, by ridding them off the previously so deeply entrenched rich class ( eg #Epstein ) , will have been enabled to curb the radius and festering of their – inevitable – new psychopathic leaderships. Something that the non-psychopathic populations simply weren't able to do before, but are then wisened-up enough to enforce.

All this is not part of the novel's storyline. It only gets conveyed as theoretical bits and pieces here and there.
(And of course, his plans are thwarted by the hero, I assume. Haven't finished reading yet.)

But what a nice theory, eh?

I also hope that collapse survivors will be brave enough to cull psychopaths from the gene pool. Failing that, be smart enough to successfully curb the newly emerging psychopathic leaders in their devilishness .
Something we, the non-psychopaths today really aren't capable of doing with the entrenched cliques of the rich 1%.
#reading #novel #thriller #RobertLudlum #CovertOne #RCPcollapse #psychopathy

Hey, do you know what happens with suddenly unmanned fossil fuel production facilities?

I know coal pits simply keep on giving. Methane.

But what about oil wells, onshore, offshore? And gas wells?

How long will they burn or seep into surrounding area?
Which radius is affected in 10 years, in 50 years, in 100 years?

And will unmanned gas wells forever spew methane into the atmosphere? How much will that be?

#RCPcollapse research should cover this topic. To inform collapse survivors: which toxic regions to avoid – and which additional warming = additional extreme weather impacts to expect, despite civilisation collapse.

And to maybe, maybe inform decision-makers.
Because closing such suddenly unmanned production sites is probably technically feasible. It has to be invented and then also installed tho. Within the next 10 to 15 years.

#ClimateChange #Collapse

RE: https://mastodon.social/@sflorg/116176564198249824

Unmanaged rewilding >of a previously human-controlled environment< indeed decreases biodiversity even further.
The animals required for ensuring a good mix of open woodland, meadows, and forest don't exist anymore. And so, a natural rewilding of such post-human land leads to shrub-dominated flora.
It takes quite a while for this to change into a balanced and diverse flora and fauna.
Longer still for rewilding of a post-civilisation, climate-change_impacted region.

Good writeup of a paywalled paper:
https://www.sflorg.com/2026/03/eco03052601.html

I asked an author for an uploaded PDF so might post a link to that later. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ele.70325
edit: free pdf https://www.researchgate.net/publication/401563116_Black_Death_Land_Abandonment_Drove_European_Diversity_Losses

The Black Death pandemic from 1347ff is not a blueprint however for what's in store for European post-civilisation landscapes.
The pre-pandemic population of the whole continent was only 60 mio people, that is today's UK population.
So their #landuse was much, much smaller. Forests still were home to wolf packs and bears, one of the prerequisites for a healthy #biodiversity.

Another thing I'd like to get an answer for: how much does the water cycle change with rewilding, ie with shrub-ification?
Will a post-civilisation East-Germany and Poland still turn into dry steppe as projected for >1.5°C?
Or will the shrub-ification counter this climate change impact by increasing cloud-nuclei and rain amounts?

#RCPcollapse #BlackDeath #Hydrology #ClimateChange #Biodiversity