Turns Out That Advertisers Not Wanting To Fund Neo-Nazi-Adjacent Content Isn’t An Antitrust Violation

Remember when Elon Musk told advertisers to “go fuck” themselves and then sued them for the crime of taking his advice? A federal judge has now dismissed that lawsuit — with prejudice —…

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A quotation from Adlai Stevenson

And the freedom of the mind, my friends, has served America well. The vigor of our political life, our capacity for change, our cultural, scientific, and industrial achievements, all derive from free inquiry, from the free mind — from the imagination, resourcefulness, and daring of men who are not afraid of new ideas. Most all of us favor free enterprise for business. Let us also favor free enterprise for the mind. For, in the last analysis, we would fight to the death to protect it.

Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-27), “The Nature of Patriotism,” American Legion Convention, Madison Square Garden, New York City

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#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #America #freeenterprise #freethought #freedom #freedomofthought #ideas #imagination #inquiry #marketplaceofideas

Stevenson, Adlai - Speech (1952-08-27), "The Nature of Patriotism," American Legion Convention, Madison Square Garden, New York City | WIST Quotations

And the freedom of the mind, my friends, has served America well. The vigor of our political life, our capacity for change, our cultural, scientific, and industrial achievements, all derive from free inquiry, from the free mind -- from the imagination, resourcefulness, and daring of men who are not afraid…

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@dangillmor

Sir, respectfully, you are old enough to remember the equal time rule. You do realize that the #USCongress abolished it after the #SupremeCourt uphelt it? My generation grew up without equal time because of corporate media who wanted this landscape. 

Perhaps a rule requiring corporate outlets to have different political factions get equal prompting in front of users' eyes, so that #YouTube has to allow a #TownSquare and a #MarketplaceOfIdeas ? I want my generation to have their voices heard. 

A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt

In our country we must trust the people to hear and see both the good and the bad and to choose the good. The Un-American Activities Committee seems to me to be better for a police state than for the USA.

Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”

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#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #America #freedomofthought #inquiry #marketplaceofideas #mccarthyism #RedScare #society #trust #huac #unamerican

Column (1947-10-29), "My Day" - Roosevelt, Eleanor | WIST Quotations

In our country we must trust the people to hear and see both the good and the bad and to choose the good. The Un-American Activities Committee seems to me to be better for a police state than for the USA.

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If Trump’s ideas and social and economic policies are so fucking popular in the #MarketPlaceOfIdeas then in true capitalist fashion like the hellhole you claim to love, run LITERALLY ANYBODY ELSE who wants to enact those policies instead of someone who denies the proven validity of an election. #January6th #USPol

A quotation from Adlai Stevenson

The sound of tireless voices is the price we pay for the right to hear the music of our own opinions. But there is also, it seems to me, a moment at which democracy must prove its capacity to act. Every man has a right to be heard; but no man has the right to strangle democracy with a single set of vocal chords.

Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-28), “Faith in Liberalism,” State Committee of the Liberal Party, New York City

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#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #action #decisionmaking #democracy #freespeech #freedomofspeech #marketplaceofideas #talking #debate #wordsanddeeds

Speech (1952-08-28), "Faith in Liberalism," State Committee of the Liberal Party, New York City - Stevenson, Adlai | WIST Quotations

The sound of tireless voices is the price we pay for the right to hear the music of our own opinions. But there is also, it seems to me, a moment at which democracy must prove its capacity to act. Every man has a right to be heard; but no…

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A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt

The film industry is a great industry, with infinite possibilities for good and bad. Its primary purpose is to entertain people. On the side, it can do many other things. It can popularize certain ideals, it can make education palatable. But in the long run, the judge who decides whether what it does is good or bad is the man or woman who attends the movies. In a democratic country I do not think the public will tolerate a removal of its right to decide what it thinks of the ideas and performances of those who make the movie industry work.

Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”

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#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #democracy #blacklist #censorship #filmindustry #freedom #Hollywood #liberty #marketplaceofideas #motionpictures

"There’s nothing in how Charlie Kirk “debated” that aimed to get at nuances or understanding. They were entirely designed to seek to humiliate his opponent. They’re full of red herrings, lies, and attempts to deflect from any actual logic, as the video link above showed.

The point is not about getting to any level of understanding. It’s to try to quip and dunk in the manner most likely to go viral when shared on social media in 20-second snippets.

The format actively discourages the kind of thoughtful, nuanced discussion that might actually change minds—the kind actually designed for persuasion. Instead, it rewards the most inflammatory takes, the most emotionally manipulative tactics, and the most viral-ready soundbites. Anyone going into these situations with good faith gets steamrolled by participants who understand they’re playing a different game entirely.

When trolls demand debates, they’re not interested in having their minds changed or genuinely testing their ideas. They want one of two outcomes: either you decline and they get to claim victory by default, or you accept and they get to use your credibility to legitimize their nonsense while farming viral moments.

None of this means we should avoid authentically engaging with different viewpoints or challenging ideas. But there’s a crucial difference between good-faith intellectual engagement and feeding trolls who are just looking for their next viral moment."

https://www.techdirt.com/2025/09/17/the-debate-me-bro-grift-how-trolls-weaponized-the-marketplace-of-ideas/

#Debate #OnlineTrolls #Demagoguery #Demagogue #CriticalThinking #MarketplaceOfIdeas

The “Debate Me Bro” Grift: How Trolls Weaponized The Marketplace Of Ideas

Among the attempts to create hagiographic eulogies of Charlie Kirk, I’ve seen more than a few people suggest that Kirk should be respected for being willing to talk to “those who disagree with him”…

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The #MarketplaceOfIdeas does exist. Maybe we need a better term but cultures generally improve cause the best ideas get spread and the worse ones get forgotten. That was word of mouth and now how ideas can spread on decentralized networks without ads or algos, when people aren't silenced or harassed. The people deciding together. #DemocracyOfReach

The problem is using the term to cover for efforts to do the opposite. To exert their wealth/position to dominate the public conversation. #substack

Lots to reflect on in #YANSS 317 – "How to reimagine the marketplace of ideas by changing how, if, and when we talk about politics"

If we want new ideas to spread, what do we need to do now to make it a reality?

#Agora #PoliticalDebate #MarketplaceOfIdeas #ChangingMinds

Thanks again @davidmcraney for your work exploring these topics with us.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2025/07/10/yanss-317-how-to-reimagine-the-marketplace-of-ideas-by-changing-how-if-and-when-we-talk-about-politics/

YANSS 317 – How to reimagine the marketplace of ideas by changing how, if, and when we talk about politics

Sarah Stein Lubrano tells us about her new book, Don’t Talk About Politics, which urges us not to lose hope or become frozen in frustration when it comes to polarization and faulty discourse …

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