John Clifford
Natural languages, if they are weird enough, e.g., Basque, said to be the hardest to learn.
Looking at suggested languages, aUI has little internet support but a real book, toki pona has a good community going and some Internet support and an interesting creator, if you can catch het. And don’t forget Loglan and Lojban. Dothraki also seems to be building well.
Literary conlangs outside of a few big cases (Tolkien, Caves, Elgin) are a poor lot, merely uggamumble with lots of qs and odd clusters. Even Lewis, who could do better, is very skimpy — mainly names, as is usually the case.

November 8th, 2011

http://conlangery.com/2011/11/08/we-need-help-again-another-poll-and-some-more/

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We Need Help AGAIN (Another poll and some more) | Conlangery Podcast

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John Clifford’s pageHere are traditional specimens of the languages I am going to talk about (and will chat about).

[...]
Toki pona (Sonja Elen Kisa, 2001)

Minimalist language for clarifying thought by reducing to the fundamental notions. Also meant to display Daoist simplicity and to promote a positive attitude.

Uses only a,e,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,s,t,u,w, /j/=y otherwise standard, but very loosely defined, i.e., each covers a wide phonetic range by position but without overlap (except syllable final /n/ is m before /p/). Syllables (C)V(n), C omitted only in first syllable (which are stressed), no /n,m/ after /n/, no /ji/, /wo/, /wu/, /ti/. Total vocabulary of 118 words. SVO (no rearrangement) and NA (no subordinate clauses).

mama pi mi mute

mama pi mi mute o
sina lon sewi kon.
o nimi sina li sewi en pona.
o ma sina li kama.
o jan li pali e wile sina en lon sewi kon en lon ma.
o sina pana lon tenpo suno ni e moku tawa mi.
o weka e pali ike mi, sama la mi weka e pali ike pi jan ante.
o pana ala e wile ike tawa mi.
o awen e mi weka tan ike.
Ni li nasin.
[...]

https://dedalvs.com/misc/clifford-lordsprayer.pdf

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Toki Pona possible etymons
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John Clifford

A few well-known (and possibly even correct) etymologies for some shadow words:
powe “false, lie, imitation” FR faux
leko “block, suare , cube” Lego (TM) a toy building block
pake “block (vt), stop, prevent” EN “block"
tuli “three” EN three (a bad job, ‘si’ is better)
po “four” EN four

John Clifford

Typo: ‘lape’ “sleep”
‘li’ and ‘la’ are unrelated in Eo, best taken as a priori
‘linja’ in Finnish is a railroad line and so directly from French
Lojban {clupa} is “loop”, “hole” is {kevna}
‘nasau’ is still dubious, even the given source only gets it once in four shots.
‘pana’ doesn’t fit well with history, but seems firm.
‘unpa’ don’t forget EN ”hump”
‘kipisi’ SW “slice”
‘majuno’ “old” fr EO ‘maljuno’ “unyoung”
‘apeja’ (may it never become active) FN ha”pea” (umlauts don’t work on my machine without needless messing about)
‘kapila’ “brown, grey” has no story.
‘kan’ “with” (accompaniment) fr SP (etc) con (if ‘poka’ dies)
‘kijetasantakalu’ FN kierteishäntäkarhu (I know, but I had this one handy) “kinkajou”
‘ko’ given as Cantonese gou2 “paste”
‘monsuta’ JP monsuta “monster” (<EN)
‘pata’ “kin” no data
‘pi’ from TP bilong is doubtful, more likely a priori then ex post facto, influenced by “of”
‘pan’ from FR pain or SP pan are older claims.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/sitelen/permalink/1925384157515960/

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First Language Creation Conference John Clifford Handout 2006

http://dedalvs.com/misc/clifford-handout.pdf

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LLC1 feedback
(David Peterson) [...] Consider that John Clifford talked about aUI, Toki Pona, NSM and Lojban and how each of them used the idea of a semantic prime, and to what extend, and in some cases he was rather critical. He wasn’t necessarily passing judgment on the conlang or the conlanger (in fact, I gather he’s a fan of Toki Pona); he was merely pointing out in what ways the conlangs did or did not use semantic primes in a useful or logical or regular way. Sai might have safely done the same with other visual conlangs without igniting any flames.

http://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc1/conference-feedback/

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LLC1 feedback

(John Quijada) John Clifford gave an informed talk on the various attempts at semantic primes (aUI, Wierzbicka’s work with the NSM, Toki Pona). It was interesting and amusing to see him set up the concept, seemingly rave about the particular idea (aUI was a good example), then start wryly demonstrating how the damn thing just doesn’t work at all. I would like to see him speak at a future conference about his long, intimate involvement with the Loglan/Lojban community.

http://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc1/conference-feedback/


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