Matt CliftonToday I found out about Immers Space: a federated, open source "metaverse" application.
It looks super alpha, but I think it is pretty cool that it exists at all.
Gerald Leppert, PhD 
The #Fediverse (#ActivityPub) has surpassed 12 million users!
All ActivityPub-connected #SocialMedia are at 12,608,877 users (5.6m active six months, 2.1m monthly active). Thanks to #Mastodon 8.2m users, #Lemmy 1.5m, #Misskey 1.4m, #PeerTube 317k, #Pixelfed 182k, #brighteon 151k, #microdotblog 114k, #Pleroma 107k, #WriteFreely 96k, #kbin 54k, #simplesocialnetwork 35k, #Plume 23k, #immersspace 23k, #juick 18k, #Mobilizon 17k, #bookwyrm 16k #Friendica 15k etc.
Jupiter Rowland@Zach777 The problem isn't ActivityPub. The problem is Mastodon.
Again, my example: Lots of ActivityPub projects support bold type, italics, quotes, embedded images etc. etc. This is not ruled out by ActivityPub. In fact, this is supported by ActivityPub AFAIK.
Mastodon, on the other hand, can't do bold type, Mastodon can't do italics, Mastodon can't do quotes, Mastodon can't even render quotes when they come in from elsewhere, Mastodon can't render embedded images coming in from elsewhere, Mastodon can't handle more than four pictures etc.
This is not caused by technical limitations in the ActivityPub protocol. This is caused by a mixture of Mastodon's self-imposed identity, including which features Mastodon wants to have and which it doesn't, and technical limitations in Mastodon's own implementation of ActivityPub.
How is Mastodon supposed to render Flickr with hundreds of pictures if it can't even render a Friendica or Hubzilla post with five pictures?
If you want mobile Mastodon apps to render any website, whichever it may be, within a timeline as a toot, then first of all, half of Mastodon's backend would have to be re-written from scratch. The standard toot format would have to be redesigned in order to be able to do something as simple as embedding pictures in text. And I'm not talking about rendering every possible website with its full set of features yet.
Then Mastodon's various Web interfaces, i.e. what you'd see if you used Mastodon through a Web browser, would have to be entirely re-written from scratch. Then all desktop and mobile apps would have to be re-written from scratch.
This would also mean three more things.
One, anything post-rewrite would no longer be able to show toots from pre-rewrite because they'd be incompatible then. There would be a hard cut. Literally everyone would have to start over from zero.
Two, communication between Mastodon instances on the new, post-rewrite version and Mastodon instances which have yet to be upgraded would be as hazardous as communcation between Mastodon and Hubzilla is right now.
Three, you'd have the wailing of people who don't want Mastodon to get any new features all over the instances. People who absolutely do NOT want Mastodon to be able to render bold type, italics and other text formatting. But Mastodon would have to become able to render all that to do something as dead-simple as render a 1990s website.
By the way, all this would also require Mastodon's Web interfaces as well as all mobile Mastodon apps to be able to render Web-based #VirtualWorlds such as #MozillaHubs (#^https://hubs.mozilla.com/), Matrix-based #ThirdRoom (#^https://thirdroom.io/preview) or ActivityPub-based #ImmersSpace (#^https://github.com/immers-space/immers) as toots. Again, with their respective full sets of features and at the same frame rate as a desktop browser. After all, technically speaking, they're all websites.
Oh, and if one day even more advanced and sophisticated virtual worlds which have been in active daily use for many years introduce Web access, they, too, will have to be rendered by Mastodon and each one of its mobile apps as toots.
Again, my example: Lots of ActivityPub projects support bold type, italics, quotes, embedded images etc. etc. This is not ruled out by ActivityPub. In fact, this is supported by ActivityPub AFAIK.
Mastodon, on the other hand, can't do bold type, Mastodon can't do italics, Mastodon can't do quotes, Mastodon can't even render quotes when they come in from elsewhere, Mastodon can't render embedded images coming in from elsewhere, Mastodon can't handle more than four pictures etc.
This is not caused by technical limitations in the ActivityPub protocol. This is caused by a mixture of Mastodon's self-imposed identity, including which features Mastodon wants to have and which it doesn't, and technical limitations in Mastodon's own implementation of ActivityPub.
How is Mastodon supposed to render Flickr with hundreds of pictures if it can't even render a Friendica or Hubzilla post with five pictures?
If you want mobile Mastodon apps to render any website, whichever it may be, within a timeline as a toot, then first of all, half of Mastodon's backend would have to be re-written from scratch. The standard toot format would have to be redesigned in order to be able to do something as simple as embedding pictures in text. And I'm not talking about rendering every possible website with its full set of features yet.
Then Mastodon's various Web interfaces, i.e. what you'd see if you used Mastodon through a Web browser, would have to be entirely re-written from scratch. Then all desktop and mobile apps would have to be re-written from scratch.
This would also mean three more things.
One, anything post-rewrite would no longer be able to show toots from pre-rewrite because they'd be incompatible then. There would be a hard cut. Literally everyone would have to start over from zero.
Two, communication between Mastodon instances on the new, post-rewrite version and Mastodon instances which have yet to be upgraded would be as hazardous as communcation between Mastodon and Hubzilla is right now.
Three, you'd have the wailing of people who don't want Mastodon to get any new features all over the instances. People who absolutely do NOT want Mastodon to be able to render bold type, italics and other text formatting. But Mastodon would have to become able to render all that to do something as dead-simple as render a 1990s website.
By the way, all this would also require Mastodon's Web interfaces as well as all mobile Mastodon apps to be able to render Web-based #VirtualWorlds such as #MozillaHubs (#^https://hubs.mozilla.com/), Matrix-based #ThirdRoom (#^https://thirdroom.io/preview) or ActivityPub-based #ImmersSpace (#^https://github.com/immers-space/immers) as toots. Again, with their respective full sets of features and at the same frame rate as a desktop browser. After all, technically speaking, they're all websites.
Oh, and if one day even more advanced and sophisticated virtual worlds which have been in active daily use for many years introduce Web access, they, too, will have to be rendered by Mastodon and each one of its mobile apps as toots.
The #Fediverse (#ActivityPub) has surpassed 10 million users!
All ActivityPub-connected #SocialMedia are at 10,024,448 users (5.6m active six months, 2.3m monthly active). Thanks to #Mastodon 8.2m users, #Misskey 638k, #PeerTube 322k, #Pixelfed 163k, #Pleroma 128k, #WriteFreely 78k, #Wordpress 76k, #brighteon 49k, #Lemmy 46k, #Plume 23k, #juick 18k, #immersspace 17k, #Friendica 16k, #Mobilizon 16k, #bookwyrm 11k, etc..
The #Fediverse (#ActivityPub) has surpassed 9 million users!
All ActivityPub-connected #SocialMedia are at 9,034,812 users (5.5m active six months, 2.6m monthly active). Thanks to #Mastodon 7.9m users, #PeerTube 308k, #Pixelfed 153k, #Pleroma 128k, #WriteFreely 72k, #Wordpress 67k, #Misskey 43k, #Lemmy 40k, #Plume 23k, #Friendica 21k #bookwyrm 20k #juick 18k #Mobilizon 15k #immersspace 14k #Funkwhale 10k and many more.
GuySoftI know of #ImmersSpace and spoke to @datatitian at the time.
I am actually thinking now of implementing some kind of Fediverse groups system similar to Guppe Groups "external users can post" model, but with a page that lets you search back content. Been reading about how to implement the protocol yesterday.
I am actually thinking now of implementing some kind of Fediverse groups system similar to Guppe Groups "external users can post" model, but with a page that lets you search back content. Been reading about how to implement the protocol yesterday.
Sebastian Lasse, redaktor.me@activitypub
#immers #immersSpace #3D #activitypub #fediverse #metaverse
@datatitian will give a tour of #ActivityPub federated 3d #ImmersiveWeb worlds.
SOON
5pm in the #MozillaHubs #assembly β¦
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/rc3-a-journey-to-the-federated-3d/1233
rC3 β A journey to the federated 3D
2020-12-30T16:00:00Z (UTC) Join here now If you are not aware, the ActivityPub 2D assembly has a 3D federation together with Mozilla Hubs. Take the future boat β¦ @[email protected] will give us a tour of ActivityPub federated 3D ImmersiveWeb worlds. It will take place in the MozillaHubs assembly.
clacke: exhausted pixie dream boy πΈπͺππ°ππ#MozillaHubs :
Hubs is a virtual collaboration platform that runs in your browser. With Hubs you can create your own 3D spaces with a single click. Invite others to join using a URL. No installation or app store required.ββhubs.mozilla.com/docs/welcome.β¦
Hubs + #ActivityPub = #ImmersSpace
web.immers.space/
The metaverse is here: an immersive Web full of social virtual and augmented reality experiences. [ . . . ] we dream of a democratized new era of the Web where creators own their content, users own their data, and no single entity exhibits undue influence on the community as a whole.I knew I just had to wait around long enough and someone would get around to implementing it. π
Hubs is a virtual collaboration platform that runs in your browser. With Hubs you can create your own 3D spaces with a single click. Invite others to join using a URL. No installation or app store required.ββhubs.mozilla.com/docs/welcome.β¦
Hubs + #ActivityPub = #ImmersSpace
web.immers.space/
The metaverse is here: an immersive Web full of social virtual and augmented reality experiences. [ . . . ] we dream of a democratized new era of the Web where creators own their content, users own their data, and no single entity exhibits undue influence on the community as a whole.I knew I just had to wait around long enough and someone would get around to implementing it. π
Will πΉπ΄
Getting very close to a demonstrable state for #ImmersSpace - a federated social #VR metaverse framework using #ActivityPub & #MozillaHubs
@ImmersSpace
@ImmersSpace