@WuMing2

I agree with your statement about surveillance that comes along with current technology and business models.

This is why #Taler has been invented in the first place, to provide an option to exit out of surveillance, specifically in the realm of payments. Being an open protocol ( #Taler ) and being implemented as free software ( #GNUTaler ), it is a genuine alternative to existing digital payment schemes.

Of course, it is not an isolated solution to the challenge of modern surveillance, but part of a broader strategy for digital sovereignty of the individual. We see the Zeitgeist already change and more people adopt less intrusive alternatives and sometimes decentralized services, like mastodon, to enshittified services.

When #Taler will enjoy broader adoption for fiat currencies via supporting banks etc., people and businesses will have a true privacy-preserving yet legally compliant alternative for digital payments, too.

Its openness will allow the development of wallets for all sorts of hardware, software environments and specific user needs, and therefore be significant part of the goal of achieving digital sovereignty of the individual.

Being a digital payment system, it might also become a central part in the funding of free and open source software.

I think this is enough enthusiasm for a Saturday noon.

Bin gespannt was zuerst in Deutschland verfügbar wird. @NGI_TALER oder Stella Card

https://www.stellacard.org/

#Diday #StellaCard #Stella #WERO #GNUTaler #BuyEuropean

@digiges Ich empfehle dazu zum Einstieg https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/115966012411426365, die ganze Serie bei @gnulinux zu #Taler gefällt mir gut! #GnuTaler #goTaler
GNU/Linux.ch (@[email protected])

GNU Taler mit Echtgeld ausprobiert - Teil 3: Händler Mit dem GNU Taler entsteht ein freies Bezahlsystem, bei dem private Anwender:innen anonym bleiben. Im dritten Teil dieser Serie, betrachten wir das Bezahlsystem aus der Händler-Perspektive. #GNU_Taler #Taler #Bezahlsystem #Händler #Linux https://gnulinux.ch/gnu-taler-mit-echtgeld-ausprobiert-teil-3

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@digiges wenn jemand die CHF für den Mitgliederbeitrag einer neuen Mitgliedschaft via #Taler bezahlen möchte, wäre das möglich? #askingForAFriend #goTaler #GnuTaler
TOR is nice, but have you ever tried ToR?
#TaleroverReticulum #gnutaler #reticulum
I listened to a couple videos about paypro fuckery at the end of my shift and heard #gnutaler mentioned. My first impression is that it's not something you'd ever want to use for transactions that are explicitly targeted by government or transactions that you'd want to be anonymous on the merchant end as well as the customer's. But it sounds like it has potential to facilitate the kinds of transactions that are otherwise being dicked with by the big payment processors, if it works with widespread use.

@scottmstedman

you should live stream video w/o any middleman using #owncast. make video shows available via #peertube. articles via #ghost. and podcasts of course. that's decentralized media keeping us free from corporate control.

and fedi (which you're on here, thank you) allowing the public to collectively decide what ideas and perspectives deserve attention. again without corporate influence.

the last piece is direct funding via a protocol. #interledger and #GNUtaler are working on that.

@WuMing2
I don't know what you mean by "self hosting" (of what?), "integration with banks" and "free for all market" - maybe there is a misunderstanding of what #Taler is?

It is a collection of protocols for three parties: the customer/wallet, the exchange (payment service provider) and the merchant. It consists of all steps necessary for digital payments: initial funding, coin withdrawal, anonymous coin spending, coin deposit, refresh/getting change. The funding and the deposit steps both involve regular wire-transfers from/to bank accounts of the customer/merchant, respectively.

The software implementation #GNUTaler is free software, and anybody can download, alter and run it - all parts of it. The wallet is clearly self-hosted by the user; a merchant can host the Taler-merchant-backend component themself - or use the service provided by somebody who runs it for multiple merchants (taler-ops.ch f.e.).

The exchange component is a different story, though:
For event or local currencies (not fiat currencies), under certain rules depending on your local jurisdiction, you may be allowed to run an exchange legally for that (fake) currency, f.e. for an event or a local community. This would be "self-hosting" the exchange.

What you can not do legally, without having the necessary license, is "self-hosting" an exchange for, say, the Euro (€). This requires an e-money issuer license, that only some banks and some fintech companies have. This is why the GLS bank (Germany) and the Magnet bank (Hungary) are members in the #NGITaler consortium - to legally host the Taler exchanges for the Euro (in Germany) and the Forint (in Hungary).

Other jurisdictions have less tighter regulations, f.e. Swiss law allows to operate as e-money issuer for Swiss francs as long as the total sum in the system is below a threshold (and one is compliant with Anti-Money-Laundering (AML) requirements).

Did I address your question?

@oec since it’s still very niche, there’s a directory of exchanges and businesses ready for transactions with #GNUTaler ?
@gytisrepecka there are already some solutions and some banks already trying to implement and use. Even #gnutaler is a choice - just good will is needed